Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

RX8 Power Issues

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    RX8 Power Issues

    I'm not sure how many of you follow the RX8 news real close, but Mazda just re-stated the HP claims from 250 to 238 for the manual version, and from 210 to 197 in the auto version.

    I'm really disapointed, Mazda did the same thing in '01 when they over-rated the Miata output.

    A lot of the thought on the RX8 forum is that it's because of emmissions, because apparently the engine has no problem making the power in japan, but I dunno.

    I still want one because they are awesome, but it's a big kick in the face for people who paid over MSRP to get one.

    Mazda is offering a buy back before Oct. 1, or they're going to provide free service for the length of the Warranty, as well as $500 back. At least the owners have some good options.

    Ohhhhh mazda
    Dan
    dreesemonkey

    #2
    Yeah, this disapointed me as well. With a new vehcle being launched this is something you do NOT want to happen. To most other companies such news would mean doom, but Mazda is trying damn hardest to keep its customers with those offers.
    "Probable impossibilities are to be preferred to improbable possibilities."

    Comment


      #3
      I'll have to post here and share my comments like i've done on other forums, including the RX-8.

      From my point of view, and what I've seen what happened with newer cars / new engines...


      When a new production car - or new year car - gets "out" and about.. there is always gonna be a problem of one thing or another.

      With the FDs, people had problems with the first production FDs, then when the second production came mazda had fixed the problems, kinda.


      I'm sure enough that the first "production" of the RX-8 is gonna be screwed, like it has been shown. I just hope that when the second production comes in the United States, Japan will fix there mistake.


      Now Horsepower problems:

      My opinion... people got the car, with less than a hour of owning it, no break-in periods, less than 100 miles on the car, they dnyoed her. BAD idea. No wonder why the power sucks.

      I bet, if people would have waited, like some probably have, and when the break-in period ends.... the power will be semi-accurate.

      Hell, I could be wrong. This is how I'm viewing things - Sorry.

      IMO, the crap that mazda is pulling now by either GIVING back the RX-8 and your money; or a $500 monkey back... and 1-3 year warranty on the car is I guess ok. The ones who will be giving the car back are not true enthusist(sp). The ones who will be giving the car back just bought it for looks.


      Anyway, this probably doesn't make since, as it is late. I'll recorrect later. Just showing my views folks!
      I'm just a typical girl... living life to it's fullest. I enjoy working on cars, and I love my RX-7!
      Member of MRCCFL.com
      http://obbnmotorworks.com
      1988 GXL N/a - RIP, awaiting for motor.
      1991 black/black 'vert - Totalled RIP - Damn Ivan!
      2005 Mazda 3 - Hatchback (blue).

      Comment


        #4
        Well, if they decided to dyno the car like the same week they got it, that's not a terribly good idea. They're probably going to pick up some whp here and there once it 'breaks in', but Mazda's announcement just lowered the total (ideal) ammount of power it developes, there is no ammount of breaking in that will get that power back without mods.

        Also, I belive that I read this in one of the posts on the forum. There is a law that requires you to be within 5% of your claimed HP numbers, and I wouldn't be suprised if mazda lowered it JUST enough to sneek into that 5%. Meaning the engines make even LESS power, but since they're in that small window, they're legally OK.
        Dan
        dreesemonkey

        Comment


          #5
          They are dynoing ~180 rwhp....do the math
          "Never run out of real estate, traction & ideas at the same time"
          -93 MR2, 129 ES
          ClubProtege.com Tech Articles

          Originally posted by WTF
          Remember low compression makes more space for AIR, HEEELLOOOO!

          Comment


            #6
            Originally posted by JesseSays
            They are dynoing ~180 rwhp....do the math
            Wow. I did. That's horrible. Either drivetrain loss is horrid, or they need to re-state the HP again

            If you're assuming it's a 15% drivetrain loss, thats 211hp.

            If you're assuming 20% loss, it's 225hp.

            25% loss is 240hp.

            Now, given the information about the law saying you have to be within 5% of the power stated... And they just re-stated it...

            The 5% would give you as low as 226hp from the now-stated 238hp.

            So given the only dyno number they have so far (around ~180hp), it would HAVE to be a 20% drivetrain loss (which isn't good), AND they are still over-rating the HP, but they're now within the 5% window.

            Or it could be they just have a 25% drivetrain loss which is pathetic.
            Dan
            dreesemonkey

            Comment


              #7
              Oh hell. I love the car the way it is. 7-8HP lost is NOTHING to me. People just expect way too much. Atleast we got this much HP out of a damn N/a.
              I'm just a typical girl... living life to it's fullest. I enjoy working on cars, and I love my RX-7!
              Member of MRCCFL.com
              http://obbnmotorworks.com
              1988 GXL N/a - RIP, awaiting for motor.
              1991 black/black 'vert - Totalled RIP - Damn Ivan!
              2005 Mazda 3 - Hatchback (blue).

              Comment


                #8
                There is still the rumor that the ECU intentionally keeps really safe maps until it feels the motor is totally broken in.

                However, Mazda *SHOULD* know this and explain it to new owners....etc.

                Maybe in 3 months when people have 5-8k miles, they'll start dynoing higher.
                "Never run out of real estate, traction & ideas at the same time"
                -93 MR2, 129 ES
                ClubProtege.com Tech Articles

                Originally posted by WTF
                Remember low compression makes more space for AIR, HEEELLOOOO!

                Comment


                  #9
                  these guys don't seem to mind the whopping 238hp (or whatever people THINK it actually makes ) the Renesis makes :D


                  '04 Titanium RX-8

                  Comment


                    #10
                    well this explains why they had so much loss down to 180 whp. but u know the aftermarket will blow up on this car and make it a beast.

                    Comment


                      #11
                      Ya, it's still an awesome car, I'd love to own one, but I'd be kinda disapointed if I were an RX8 owner spending all that money on a brand new car, and having them sorta bone you.
                      Dan
                      dreesemonkey

                      Comment


                        #12
                        Any body knows that they will actually come with the turbo version ?
                        Probably twin turbo but i dont know yet.
                        I think It will be called the RX8 MazdaSpeed
                        Not sure
                        ANy body ?
                        President of <center><a href="http://www.axronline.com"><img src="http://www.axronline.com/AXRonlineedit.jpg" alt="www.AXRonline.com"></a></center>

                        Comment


                          #13
                          nothing has been confirmed nor denied by Mazda regarding a future Mazdaspeed version of the RX-8.

                          please stop spreading rumors, thanks

                          '04 Titanium RX-8

                          Comment


                            #14

                            sorry

                            Originally posted by ZoomZoomH
                            nothing has been confirmed nor denied by Mazda regarding a future Mazdaspeed version of the RX-8.

                            please stop spreading rumors, thanks
                            President of <center><a href="http://www.axronline.com"><img src="http://www.axronline.com/AXRonlineedit.jpg" alt="www.AXRonline.com"></a></center>

                            Comment


                              #15
                              i'm sure they will make a mazdaspeed version. i have this road and track magazine all about the RX-8 and it says that HKS will be making some sick turbo for it which will boost it up to about 300. as far as the car itself, its awesome and i don't really care if the power is slightly lower than stated cuz its true, if you are a true enthusiast like me, then you wouldn't care. i'm still planning to buy one down the line.
                              '96 LX baby
                              Next car: Miata. And after that...Rotary...
                              Mazdas Rule The Automobile World
                              "It Just Feels Right"
                              <IMG src="http://bingweb.binghamton.edu/~bsong1/CARS/104-0401_IMG.bmp">

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X