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Scott D
08-22-2004, 08:29 PM
Hey, I'd love to do the Auto --> Manual swap. Is there anyone around here that could do it for me (for a fee I guess) and any idea how much the whole thing would cost?

Thanks,
Scott D.

Scott D
08-31-2004, 12:56 PM
kinda by lake harriet...

mattbeekler
09-01-2004, 02:03 AM
I'd be willing to throw a manual into my protege also if possible :) Could they quote me on a price? Bloom, not sure exactly where that is but I've been wanting a tranny swap for a long time :)

Also, do you think I'd be able to sell my auto to anyone after the swap? It was rebuilt about 10k miles ago.

Scott D
09-02-2004, 06:14 PM
yeah, how much would it be?

P.S.-Bloom. = Bloomington

kopp0041
09-07-2004, 11:28 PM
you darring people you!

thunderb0lt
09-08-2004, 03:32 AM
I JUST finished a successful swap on my BP equipped sephia using a G series 5 spd (originally had a Mazda FA4A-EL auto) and I took TONS and TONS of pics.

Assuming you are patient and don't mind waiting for the right trans and parts AND do the work yourself, the swap would cost you about $200 - $300. It cost me $165 (trans has 80k and shifts nicely) to get just about everything for the swap (except the center console, shift knob and 5 speed ECU) from Florida. My friend found a car that was in a rear end collision and took all the parts off of it and shipped it to me via Fedex (STUPID Fedex delayed the shipments by a day TWICE and damaged the end tin cover on the trans. I beat it back into shape.. but still, it's very unprofessional behaviour on their part). Shipping came to about 70 bux total. The swap would have cost me just $235 but i accidentally messed up the pilot bearing and had to get a new one for $10. That took the final cost to $245.

If you are doing this on a BP equipped car using a G series trans, you will need:-

- 5 speed trans
- Two bottom trans mount brackets. (the rubber engine mounts themselves are same for auto and 5 speed)
- One top trans mount bracket (just the part that fits on the trans, the rubber part and the part that goes on the chassis are same for both trans)
-Intermediate shaft
- Complete driver side driveshaft (passenger side is same for both trans)
- Pedal Assembly from 5 speed (just the clutch and brake assy)
- Clutch Master and Slave (i think the clutch master setup is a BIT different on the protege. See if you can, get the one off a sephia. It's similar to RX7 setup and is better since its completely independent from the brake system)
- Clutch line
- Flywheel
-Clutch disc, Clutch cover, pressure plate, pilot bearing and release bearing (clutch tool is recommended for installation ease)
- Shifter assembly
- 5 speed speedo (If you want to, you can just use the bottom half of the 5 speed and thread it onto the auto top half.. it will work fine)
- 5 Speed starter

That's all you NEED. You don't even need the 5 speed ECU. All it takes to start and drive the car after the swap is a small jumper wire (or a toggle switch) to fool the ECU into thinking that the auto is in Park or Neutral. Also, I didn't get the 5 speed center console yet... but from the looks of it, i just need to change the top plastic insert to adapt the auto console for 5 speed use.

I finished the swap a couple days ago and already drove it around the area and out to my "test track". Being able to shift when I want feels soooo good. It feels like a completely different car now and I can tell you it's well worth the hassle.

Go here for more pics than you will ever need :P Transmission Swap pics (http://s87170394.onlinehome.us/gallery/Transmission-Swap)

Feel free to ask questions....

charles
09-08-2004, 04:56 AM
What about the starter?

Do you know if the 97 Sephia has a g-series?

charles
09-08-2004, 05:18 AM
Did you remove the brake master cylinder in order to remove the pedal? It looks like this setup of the clutch on the Sephia is easier than the shared kind. I will try to grab one out of the sephia that I got a harness from. :) It looks like the most annoying part might be de-constructing the dash. Now you've got me excited. Why didn't I do this to my green car?? Too bad I got rid of it... :)

Intruder
09-08-2004, 05:21 AM
Now you've got me excited. Why didn't I do this to my green car?? Too bad I got rid of it... :)
You need to worry not. ;) We'll do it to MY car. :yesnod:

thunderb0lt
09-08-2004, 11:25 AM
What about the starter?

Do you know if the 97 Sephia has a g-series?

Thanks for pointing out the starter. I knew I forgot something in the list hehe. It's included now.

And yes, the 97 1.8 has a G series.

whistler
09-09-2004, 03:24 AM
the G-series trannies? whats good abt them? are they stronger or something?

thunderb0lt
09-09-2004, 10:50 AM
the G-series trannies? whats good abt them? are they stronger or something?

Yeh supposedly stronger and also has bigger clutch, etc. I gotta run to school right now but you will find useful comparision data if u do a search on the forum.

Intruder
09-09-2004, 10:18 PM
And yes, the 97 1.8 has a G series.
What evidence do you have to support this?

thunderb0lt
09-10-2004, 09:58 AM
What evidence do you have to support this?

:wtf2:

um..... my service manual, the gear ratios, my 20/20 vision, the fact that both cars have the same engines and same part numbers for just about everything engine and trans related at any dealer that carries both mazda and kia, the list goes on.....

Intruder
09-10-2004, 01:43 PM
Hey man, I didn't mean to sound rude or anything... I wanted to make sure I'm paying for a G-series tranny when I go to the junkyard one of these days.
Here's why I asked:


Thunderb0lt said the 97 Sephia is a g-series. HMM. My visual inspection of a Sephia tranny though makes it look like the first gen g-series would be no problem, unless the holes for the motor mount brackets are in different places, or something.

he SAYS its a G tranny, like anyone has said it is... I haven't seen any difinitive proof that it is yet... till then, I'm not going to tell people that it is one.... I hate telling people uncertain info

thunderb0lt
09-10-2004, 09:37 PM
Hey man, I didn't mean to sound rude or anything... I wanted to make sure I'm paying for a G-series tranny when I go to the junkyard one of these days.
Here's why I asked:


Oh... i just misunderstood you. Anyway, yes, the 97 Sephia 1.8 (again officially it's a "BP") comes with a G25M-R transmission and the 1.6 (B6) DOHC model comes with an F25M-R.

Just shop around patiently. A lot of rip off shops will ask you prices ranging from the low 300s to high 600s no matters what car you say it's from (Escort GT/Protege/Sephia/Tracer LTS). But every now and then, you will come across a couple of shops that ask you more reasonable prices in the under 300 range. Still, some might not work out if they need to ship it to you. Just be patient and shop around a lot. Like i said, i got just about everything for my swap for $165 + 60ish shipping. (driveshafts, trans, good clutch assy, flywheel, pedal assy, shifter, etc etc etc)

Intruder
09-10-2004, 09:50 PM
A j/y close-by has one, and the price is less than $150. :)

thunderb0lt
09-11-2004, 12:59 AM
A j/y close-by has one, and the price is less than $150. :)


Nice. Btw, save all the screws. It never hurts to have spares. I didn't mention it earlier but you will need the flywheel to crankshaft bolts. They are different from the crank to flexplate bolts on the auto.

charles
09-11-2004, 03:42 AM
I think the service manual actually tells you to replace those anyway. But we'll get 'em anyway. :thumb:

thunderb0lt
09-11-2004, 06:53 AM
Nice. Btw, save all the screws. It never hurts to have spares. I didn't mention it earlier but you will need the flywheel to crankshaft bolts. They are different from the crank to flexplate bolts on the auto.

bleh.... the manual will tell you to do many things... :P
Just make sure you clean out the threads in the "crankplate" (i'm gonna call it that) and the bolts real good. I tried putting the stuff back on without cleaning it and got the scare of my life when a couple of them just about seized up. I thought i messed up the threads or something. heh.
Anyways, after cleaning, they went it real easy using just my fingers to put em back in (ofcourse i torqued em in later). Also make sure you use a good thread locker compound on those bolts and the clutch cover bolts. You will also want to get a small torque wrench to make torquing everything easy in the cramped engine bay. One other thing you MUST do when ur doing the swap is to remove the small metal spacer that sits between the crankplate and the auto's flexplate. If you don't, you will end up wasting a good pilot bearing like I did. :(

charles
09-11-2004, 10:25 PM
The 97 Sephia I looked at today had the shared clutch cylinder. Where did you find the independent one?

thunderb0lt
09-12-2004, 10:36 PM
The car you saw must have been marked wrongly. All 97 sephias with the 1.8BP will have the G trans and the independent clutch setup.

charles
09-13-2004, 12:15 AM
I found it on a 95...

kevman77
02-18-2006, 04:16 PM
I have a 99 familia (JDM rhd protege) with the ZL-VE 1.5 engine and auto tranny (FN4A-EL). Could the F25M-R manual tranny from a USDM 1.6 be swapped into my car. If so, where would I be able to get all the needed parts from?
I can't stand the boredom of being automatic any longer.

thegreatelbobo
02-20-2006, 11:46 PM
I could help, probably the only person in your area that's done that swap. Hit me up when it's warmer :)

Intruder
02-21-2006, 12:16 AM
Welcome to 2 years ago.

kevman, start a new thread, no one's gonna see your question here.

thegreatelbobo
02-21-2006, 11:48 PM
Welcome to 2 years ago.

kevman, start a new thread, no one's gonna see your question here.


Wow, no ****......time to become a little more attentive :dunce:

Intruder
02-22-2006, 02:21 AM
Yup. :)