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**Identity_X** · 09-26-2003, 01:12 PM

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Posted by happydog2 on May-16th-2003 06:50 AM:

Performance Coatings http://www.performancecoatings.com/ do a terrific job of header coating...they'll coat both the inside and outside of your header for $140. Coating the inside not only inhibits corrosion, but also helps reduce under-hood temperature by getting more of the heat out the exhaust before it can soak into the metal (make sense?).

I would remove the radiator for this job...it's surprisignly easy and quick, and it will give you a LOT more room to work and you'll reduce your chances of damaging your radiator. Remember, when you take it out, you can leave your cooling fan attached. Remember to plug your fan back in when reassembling.

Jim

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Posted by Identity_X on May-21st-2003 05:40 AM:

The header was sold to me as a Pacesetter by a EGT owner. It seems like he was a little confused. The header is not a Pacesetter and it is not a Genie. I would assume that it’s a Gude, but I haven’t been able to find a picture of a Gude header so I am not certain. I am still waiting for a reply from the guy who sold it to me. Maybe he made an error while advertising his sale. Anyways, I really wish I can ceramic coat the header but as of now it is out of my budget range. I have not been able to find a place online that will do it for less than $100. Today I began the installation. Didn’t have much more time than just to take the heat shield off. I was surprised that the bolts hoding it actually moved as they were rusted badly. There’s 8 of them and although room for work was really limited I was able to unscrew them without any trouble. Taking the heatshield out was a bit tricky. I removed the fan for more room and was able to pull the heatshield out from the top. I did bend some of the fins on the radiator, but not that many of them. I am hoping that I would not need to take the radiator off when removing the actual header. Tomorrow I am off to the local auto stores for gaskets. Here’s a pic of the stock header with the heatshield off:

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Posted by Identity_X on May-22nd-2003 06:11 AM:

I went to Autozone, PepBoys, and CarQuest today and none of them had the exhaust manifold gasket in stock. Autozone was the only place that I had an option of ordering it from, the other places did not carry that part whatsoever. I don’t have time to wait for a gasket because I am stranded with no car as long as the header is off. I’ll probably end up using my current one. It’s all metal and seems to be in decent shape for its age. Taking off the exhaust manifold wasn’t fun. The bolts were in some hard to reach places and my hands got cut up along the way. Definitely not fun. The damn thing was heavy too. Out of curiosity I took a scale out and weighted both of the headers. According to the scale the oem one is approximately 14lb and the one I am putting on is around 4lb. A 10lb difference is a lot. The heat shield is another pound or two as well. I ran out of time for today, but I am hoping to complete the job tomorrow. It’s taking me much longer than I expected. Here are some pictures for comparison:

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Posted by PseudoRealityX on May-22nd-2003 06:47 AM:

The Gude piece WAS off-road only, and from emails I exchanged with them back in 2000, didn't have the o2 bung. So either this is something different, or someone welded the bung on. but it WAS a 4 into 1.

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Posted by THAPRO1 on May-22nd-2003 07:18 AM:

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A 10lb difference is a lot.
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man 10 lbs? thats pretty kool i'm looking for a header too out of the 3 mentioned who is the best in you guys opinon? which makes the most power? thanks

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Posted by Identity_X on May-22nd-2003 06:06 PM:

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Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
The Gude piece WAS off-road only, and from emails I exchanged with them back in 2000, didn't have the o2 bung. So either this is something different, or someone welded the bung on. but it WAS a 4 into 1.
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That's good to know. I am pretty sure that this is the Gude header then, because the guy that I bought it from said that it was a 're-weld' He probably welded on the O2 sensor as you suggested. Thanks for that info. Hopefully I'll still be able to pass emissions with this thing on.

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Posted by Identity_X on May-23rd-2003 03:04 AM:

Well, the header is officially on. I just came back from a test drive and I must say that I am really happy with it. I was very surprised at the difference it made especially between 2-4k rpm. The car ‘picks up’ a lot faster now. It also changed the sound a bit. I do hear some rattling and I have to locate it and fix it because it is annoying. Overall this was definitely worth the money. The need for speed is satisfied………for now.

Here’s a picture of what the header looks like installed:

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Posted by mazdaspeedwest on May-24th-2003 01:33 AM:

Don't worry it gets easier with time , last time i swapped out my RMM header for stock (had to weld a crack) and then swapped it back in, i had it down to a 35min job, off and on.

Also, you'll notice a bit more gain if you add a better downpipe back to the cat.
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**Tai Mai Shu** · 09-27-2003, 08:02 PM

when are they gonna make some for the SOHC?
I know this question's been asked aplenty but this is a repost anyway.

**Protoss** · 09-28-2003, 03:01 AM

Originally posted by Tai Mai Shu
when are they gonna make some for the SOHC?
I know this question's been asked aplenty but this is a repost anyway.

yeah C_U_S_T_O_M i have aturbo mani made up but i wont part with it just yet. if you want get the pacesetter, cut the flange off, and have the flange from your stock exaust mani welded on. other than that c-u-s-t-o-m!

**KiddX** · 09-28-2003, 07:37 AM

what kind of gain is a DOHC going to get off a set of headers, im looking at the GENIE, anyone have them on? gain?

**MazdaRacer** · 09-28-2003, 12:26 PM

Your not going to gain much with just a single product. It's the relationship between multiple products that release the true potential. A header alone will do nothing more than increase noise and a slight gain here and there. Now couple that with an intake, cat-back exhaust, etc...then the power gains become meaningful.

**Tai Mai Shu** · 09-28-2003, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by Protoss
yeah C_U_S_T_O_M i have aturbo mani made up but i wont part with it just yet. if you want get the pacesetter, cut the flange off, and have the flange from your stock exaust mani welded on. other than that c-u-s-t-o-m!

trying to save money. It'd be a lot cheaper to get it aftermarket than custom.
So you're saying the dohc header should fit if I just weld the flanges? is that a guaranteed fit?

**Protoss** · 09-28-2003, 04:58 PM

ok chop off the DOHC flanges, then chop off the SOHC flanges, swap them, then weld the DOHC headr that has the sohc flange. why wouldn't it fit? my might have an issue with a downpipe, but 80 bucks at a muffler shop can fit that

**KiddX** · 09-30-2003, 05:28 AM

okok, so say i get the genie headers, into a custom downpipe (2 inch or bigger?" into a high flow cat, into 2 inch cat back, into a flowmaster 40 series ?

oh ya and a CAI that im buying from protoss

30 hp conservative guess?

**charles** · 09-30-2003, 06:04 AM

Originally posted by KiddX
okok, so say i get the genie headers, into a custom downpipe (2 inch or bigger?" into a high flow cat, into 2 inch cat back, into a flowmaster 40 series ?

oh ya and a CAI that im buying from protoss

30 hp conservative guess?

Ehh, that's probably more than conservative.

**KiddX** · 09-30-2003, 02:50 PM

gimme a ballpark figure

**Kevin** · 09-30-2003, 03:25 PM

bud, none of us are dyno happy, knowing ballpark gains would be more of jesse's department, and theres no telling how much you gain just by bolting parts on your car. personally, i never even had a baseline dyno done like i should have, so my baseline dyno would be maybe 5 to 10 hp more with my catback, and my intake. but then there's mileage.. i mean, is it fair to say that the same cars with say 50,000, and the other with 100,000... even if very well maintain, the higher mileage engine would produce a lower amount of horsepower than the lower mileage engine? i mean there are so many factors involved in gain and loss of hp. even temperature, altittude, and humidity are taken into consideration when an engine is dyno'ed. speed costs money, and the more you put in, most likely, the better sense of satisfaction you're going to gain out of your car. if you did a full exhaust, i'm pretty sure the faster velocity of your exhaust gas would yield failry decent gains. i'm trying to think of who it was that had a full exhaust with header, intake (not even sure if it was cold air or not, with 212k miles or kilometers (fleeting memory) had their car dyno'ed at 122whp. Scott, i think it was? even so, you can get 3 different horsepower readings from 3 different dyno runs...it all depends. i mean, i've seen the difference from an estimated 110hp protege and an estimated 227hp protege, the difference is TREMENDOUS. so to answer your question basically, less than 20hp.. i think that would be on the generous side (but then again, i'm not a dynometer, so someone else would be better to give you an answer).
peace

**JesseSays** · 09-30-2003, 03:37 PM

it'll run like crap, and you're nowhere NEAR 30 whp gained...

Put a stand alone on it and dyno tune it for a few hours, and then report back.

**JesseSays** · 09-30-2003, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by KiddX
gimme a ballpark figure

Darryl's motor, with a RMM header, cat-back, and CAI put down 114 to the wheels.

**MazdaRacer** · 09-30-2003, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by JesseSays
Darryl's motor, with a RMM header, cat-back, and CAI put down 114 to the wheels.

thats 114.7 Mr Jesse

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