Heads-up: 4-1 BP header from.... Finland! possible group buy
I have been in contact recently with a Finnish exhaust company (Martelius) and have a complete 2" exhaust system (including header, midpipe, and catback) on order for my Pro.....
I'd like to gauge interest in a group buy especially for their 4-1 header (and for other parts if there is an interest)
As many know, only Pacesetter and Genie headers are available for our 1.8 DOHC here in the states - and the Genie is relatively hard to come by at that. Both the Genie and the Pacesetter seem to be 'decently' made, cheaply priced 4-2-1 designs; Pacesetter, though, has redesigned their header as a 2 piece 4-1. After recieving their new 4-1 from Nopi and looking it over; I had zip,nada interest in installing it. See my thread in the 'BG drivetrain' subforum about it. If you can get your hands on their 4-2-1, I personally feel that was their best design.
Anyways, here's the low-down on the 4-1 available from Finland as described to me by the shop owner:
- Equal-length ~1 5/8 primaries - tuned for max power above 5,000rpm
- Collector is a cone-type design for increased performance throughout the torque band
- 2" outlet at the flex-pipe(2" is enough for good na power; if you need something larger, you could always chop the end off, and weld up a custom setup)
- made of 409 ferritic steel(better than a 'mild steel', but not as good as 304)
Ok, Price
Regular, normal price is 377 euros ($494) . Shipment to the US via mail (cheapest) is 139.50 euros ($182.83). With the current (terrible) exchange rate, that is a total of $676.83 for just *1* header.
I will know sometime after the first of the week what kind of pricing would be available for the group buy. What I am hoping to be able to do is offer these headers shipped to your door for $494 OR less. That's the goal at least
It may or may not be possible....
I realize this is expensive, but look at what you're getting! The only off-the-shelf long-tube 4-1 header that actually appears to be well-designed to make some good power. No other off-the-shelf header like that for us! IMO, this header is along the lines of a DC Sports or Racing Beat (which retail for ~$400-500). The only real compromise to me is the material used: 409. But even then, its still better than the Genie or Pacesetter 'mild-steel' varieties. I will be coating mine....
I will also dyno-test this header on my rebuilt 10:1 motor. In fact, I *hope* to do a back-to-back comparison on the dyno with the full finnish exhaust vs my current Genie 4-2-1/oem midpipe(catco cat)/Pacesetter 2 1/4" catback. If the header is as good as it looks, I'm willing to step out on a looong limb and guess an easy 10+whp for the new exhaust over my current exhaust.
There you go I wanted to go ahead and post this to get the ball rolling. If it works out, I will need all payments up front via Paypal, and hope to have it complete by say the end of February or perhaps later.... Tell me what you think!
I'd like to gauge interest in a group buy especially for their 4-1 header (and for other parts if there is an interest)
As many know, only Pacesetter and Genie headers are available for our 1.8 DOHC here in the states - and the Genie is relatively hard to come by at that. Both the Genie and the Pacesetter seem to be 'decently' made, cheaply priced 4-2-1 designs; Pacesetter, though, has redesigned their header as a 2 piece 4-1. After recieving their new 4-1 from Nopi and looking it over; I had zip,nada interest in installing it. See my thread in the 'BG drivetrain' subforum about it. If you can get your hands on their 4-2-1, I personally feel that was their best design.
Anyways, here's the low-down on the 4-1 available from Finland as described to me by the shop owner:
- Equal-length ~1 5/8 primaries - tuned for max power above 5,000rpm
- Collector is a cone-type design for increased performance throughout the torque band
- 2" outlet at the flex-pipe(2" is enough for good na power; if you need something larger, you could always chop the end off, and weld up a custom setup)
- made of 409 ferritic steel(better than a 'mild steel', but not as good as 304)
Ok, Price
Regular, normal price is 377 euros ($494) . Shipment to the US via mail (cheapest) is 139.50 euros ($182.83). With the current (terrible) exchange rate, that is a total of $676.83 for just *1* header.
I will know sometime after the first of the week what kind of pricing would be available for the group buy. What I am hoping to be able to do is offer these headers shipped to your door for $494 OR less. That's the goal at least
It may or may not be possible.... I realize this is expensive, but look at what you're getting! The only off-the-shelf long-tube 4-1 header that actually appears to be well-designed to make some good power. No other off-the-shelf header like that for us! IMO, this header is along the lines of a DC Sports or Racing Beat (which retail for ~$400-500). The only real compromise to me is the material used: 409. But even then, its still better than the Genie or Pacesetter 'mild-steel' varieties. I will be coating mine....
I will also dyno-test this header on my rebuilt 10:1 motor. In fact, I *hope* to do a back-to-back comparison on the dyno with the full finnish exhaust vs my current Genie 4-2-1/oem midpipe(catco cat)/Pacesetter 2 1/4" catback. If the header is as good as it looks, I'm willing to step out on a looong limb and guess an easy 10+whp for the new exhaust over my current exhaust.
There you go
I wanted to go ahead and post this to get the ball rolling. If it works out, I will need all payments up front via Paypal, and hope to have it complete by say the end of February or perhaps later.... Tell me what you think!
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with 22% finnish vat the header lists for 460 euros. if only the exchange rate was more in the 1:1 range - or better for the dollar!! currently, 1 euro = 1.31 dollars
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