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bigwoo23
01-25-2005, 10:52 AM
Ok, my girlfriends car just took a **** on her, i think for good, so shes looking at buying a new car. Shes basically in the same predicament as me - drives about 40 miles a day to/from school and wants something affordable and good on gas, yet sporty looking. She was talking about getting a Scion Tc or a Mazda 3s, since they both are similar. I took her step by step last night through both brochures and the differences in each, but I want some more ammo to throw at her. I know its not my car, but personally after sitting in each, I think the Scion is cheaply built and looks crappy on the inside compared to the 3s. And on top of that, she can get S-plan on a 3 and nothing off of the Tc. I figured someone on here would be able to give me some more stuff to show her, so thanks in advance.

NegatiZE
01-25-2005, 11:11 AM
The S-plan alone would be enough for me to choose the 3s over the TC. Scion has a no haggle policy just like Saturn does.

They are both great cars however IMO.

MazdaRacer
01-25-2005, 12:48 PM
i've never sat in a Tc, but they look sweet from the outside, nice wheels too.

I know it's a Toyota, but they don't really put their name on it. Still should be a reliable car tho.

and ya, S-Plan, S-Plan, S-Plan. I used it.

The 3s is a great car, the INT is very nice, sporty and quailty. 17" OEM wheels :) and soon to have lots-o-performance parts. I would assume TRD and others will have for the Tc.

I like the styling better on the 3s tho....and Mazda puts their name right on it :)

DeanSweetP5
01-25-2005, 12:54 PM
it's all based on opinions so I would have her drive both and let her make up her own mind?
Here is a Thread that talks about what you are asking @the car louge

http://forums.thecarlounge.net/zerothread?id=1766475&postid=18273454

funkdaddysmack
01-25-2005, 02:27 PM
I like both. The thing I hear about the Scion's is mostly cheap interior feel and quality. I think I'd probably go with the tC just because it's bound to get better gas mileage and 3-4 extra mpg will definately add up if you drive 40 miles almost every day. Toyota engines have that extra engineering to get wicked-gas mileage.

The tC is pretty heavy for a coupe, though.

Meh, they're both good cars. I'd probably go with the tC just to be a little different, and you know it's going to be bulletproof. My friend has had problems with her two brand new mazda 6s (first one was in the shop more than 10 times in less than 3000 miles, mazda reluctantly gave her a brand-new car. The new car is having tranny problems, too. Mazda is actually ditching the A5 tranny they have because they've had so many issues). Then, her husband had to get a ****load of tranny components replaced in his 8 because his car was grinding like a mofo going into second gear after 8k miles (not beating on the car, either). Mazda reliability seems to be going a little downhill from the days of old. I'd be especially weary of a fairly-new engine in the 3/focus or whatever it's sharing it with. They just need to work out the kinks.

bigwoo23
01-25-2005, 05:51 PM
thanks for all the responses, i'll be sure to pass them on to her. I'm just trying to be the nice guy and get some outside opinions.

95ProLeila
01-25-2005, 09:16 PM
I'll second the cheap interior. I test drove a tc and the shift knob rotated wtf? Does have some kick to it though . . . . I don't know, if it were me, I'd get the 3 partially because of brand loyalty (I like mazda) and partially because of interior fit/finish. The 3 has an incredibly well done interior and the options . . . well the options speak for themselves. Fully loaded still comes in right at $20k, damn good deal in my book.

bigwoo23
01-25-2005, 09:30 PM
i think the only options that shes considering are hte ABS/side airbag pkg, moonroof/6 cd, and the sport package

95ProLeila
01-25-2005, 10:34 PM
Sedan or Hatch? I'm more familiar with the hatch, I'm not sure what the sport package is. Either way, I think that the 3 is more well sorted and has better value.

NegatiZE
01-25-2005, 10:42 PM
The Sport package includes the 17" wheels and side skirts IIRC.

bigwoo23
01-25-2005, 11:22 PM
sedan, and Negatize you are correct side sill extensions and 17" wheels are the main features with the Sport Pkg.

websurfer970
01-26-2005, 07:36 AM
I've never driven the tc but I do find it somewhat appealing, besides the obvious interior comments. But even though I like the tc I would stick with a mazda. The main reason is that Mazda at least has a history. Scion being a brand new setup even if a subsidiary (SP?) of toyota will have it's problems. They still haven't found the problems with thier vehicles and will need to go through the period of trial and error untill everything is perfect.

D323
01-26-2005, 05:53 PM
my friends ex g/f had one..... The door that covers the radio broke and she had a braking noise/problem with the front drivers side... not to say that the 3 is perfect by no means...

Just tell her that the 3 got that NCST or something like that for the crash test that was posted about a while back and the 3 was #1. Since she will be commuting so far, safety should be a priority as well as mpg.

MazdaRacer
01-26-2005, 06:08 PM
sport pkg
17" wheels
sport grille
side skirts

and thats the same pkg i got along with the curtain/side airbags, ABS, wheel locks, cargo net, 6cd and moonroof. (5sp of course :) )

good point on the crash test rating!

T4TURBO
01-27-2005, 10:28 AM
mazda=faster,better looking, nicer interior, better options, and its not a toyota

Kreator
01-27-2005, 01:55 PM
i can give you some reasons for getting a scion over the 3, but then i dont think that's what you are asking :)

If it was me, i'd get a subie rs over either one :-p

D323
01-27-2005, 03:37 PM
mazda=faster,better looking, nicer interior, better options, and its not a toyota

not faster than the supercharged version.... ;)

funkdaddysmack
01-27-2005, 03:44 PM
not faster than the supercharged version.... ;)

Good point, 200hp of factory warrantied goodness is hard to argue with ;)

D323
01-27-2005, 03:47 PM
200 boosted factory goodness... that is if she even wants/can afford the supercharged model.... I think those run 25 range (sticks out in my mind for some reason) almost the same price of an RX-8

95ProLeila
01-27-2005, 04:51 PM
The dealership I talked to said something about not offering the TRD parts anymore, that you would have to buy them from TRD yourself and get them put on, and that it would be treated just like any other aftermarket parts when it came to warranty issues. I specifically asked about the supercharged version and they said it wasn't an option. Wtf?

D323
01-27-2005, 05:11 PM
thats jacked up... my friends ex got hers from the dealer... then she thought it was too slow, so she had her parents take it back to the dealer and they put on a SC. All on her parents credit card too.... :(

funkdaddysmack
01-27-2005, 08:28 PM
200 boosted factory goodness... that is if she even wants/can afford the supercharged model.... I think those run 25 range (sticks out in my mind for some reason) almost the same price of an RX-8

I don't think so, but don't quote me. My friend was looking to buy one, I think he built one online including SC for about $20k. They're loaded stock ($16.5k), the SC isn't going to be a $4k option.

[edit]
Just did some research and the SC isn't even out yet, apparently it's being pushed back to feb or march or april or something. The TRD kit anyway. Dunno about any aftermarket stuff.

bigwoo23
01-27-2005, 11:54 PM
i can give you some reasons for getting a scion over the 3, but then i dont think that's what you are asking :)

If it was me, i'd get a subie rs over either one :-p

actually im all ears, im going to show her everything thats been written here to help her make a decision. I just want to say thanks to everyone for putting some input in. No it wouldnt be a SC scion, and we're going more for bang for the buck than speed. If she wants speed, i'll get my 05 Mustang GT and rip it up, she doesnt need it and doesnt really want too much either. Something affordable that can get here through school thats easy on insurance too is all.