ford probe GT engine into a 91 escort?

[T4TURBO]

hey whats up. im looking for some info.
my buddy has a spare probe GT v6 in his garage. everything is intact. he wants $500 for everything. now my plans for the car at this stage is just being able to keep up with/beat the nissan SERS/jetta 1.8's in the world. just something to make everyone stop and think twice about messing with a escort. what i want to know 1st off will this engine swap put me up there with those cars? and 2 how hard of a swap is it?
please dont tell me to just get a KLZE, and please dont tell me to search, because everything that i've looked for has been the KLZE. i already know the results of the ZE enine. i want to know what would i get out of a kl08? would it even be worth it. kuz i dont have the money for the ZE right now, and i would only destroy my tires with that much power right now.
its a KL08 i believe in the probe gts/mx6s right?
therer pretty kwik, so im thinking with the lighter escort base + bolt ons, it would be a pretty fun little car. at least until i get all my funds together for my GTX to be up and running the way i want it to.

so any input on ur idea would be helpful.

V6 escort??? i think so!

[Lex]

That will be a very tight fit in there - and the motor will make the car quiet front heavy -

[jnorion]

There's a bunch of stuff about V6 swaps already if you search for it. It would be the same as swapping into a Protege... you need to fabricate engine mounts.

[T4TURBO]

they said that the KLZE is just as heavy as the BP. its aluminum and the bp is iron. is this true with the stateside KL motor?

[BPower]

you need to fabricate engine mounts.

I'm pretty sure that you just use the MX-3 GS engine mounts

find Dayrl's(sp) thread, he's doing the same swap.

[jitb37]

The v6,, weighs less than the BP. B/c its aluminum. And the BP block is Iron.

The motor out of that car is a KLDE. And its very quick in a BG chassis car. A friend of mine has one in his Mx3, and its aloot fastert than my car. Adn it was faster than another buddies, boosted BP (mx3). Until he got his AFC..lol. BUt yes it is worth it, and it will surpass all those cars u listed. My friend with the KLDE in his mx3, ran 14.9 all night at the track friday. Ive been with him when he has raped a Type R teg ( a rela one not a swapped B18c5), a T3/T4 323 GT that dynoed at 200hp. the main attribute of that motor, is its Tq. and on high speed runs it just walks away from alto of cars. But he has, some KLZE cams in it, which are more aggressive. Ive done a couple of v6 swaps into BG chassis cars (2 mx3's RS 4cyl). And its pretty simple, almost as easy as droppin a bp in a dx.

u just need:
Motor
Tranny (mx6/626/Probe GT)
You can use the mx3 GS K8(1.8 v6) tranny BUT, the clutch wont really hold well with the motor. And if u have to get one, u mi ght aswell just get a mx6/probegt/626 v6 tranny. The 626 manual tranny is supposedly come with LSD, so thats the kind my friend uses in his mx3. And in the rain it has no traction at all. But it does have te 2 wheel burnout. So im pretty sure its int here. But we never eally cracked it open to investigate.

Axles - (626-MX3 GS - Probe GT - MX6 V6 all will work)

ECU - (626 - Probe GT - MX6 V6)
The MX3 GS ECu will work.....but it will run like complete ASS...lol Unless u redo the stock timing. but u wont have to if you just use the 626-probe gt or mx6 v6.

KL V6 Crossmember/shifter linkage (mx3 GS - probe GT - 626 v6 - mx6 v6)
They all will work, they all are the same


Passenger/driver Side Motor mount (mx3 Gs - probe GT - 626 - mx6 v6)
The mounts on the V6, are the same as the BP, just the one on the passenger side just sits differently. The rest of the mounts match up with the stock BP mounts. I cant remember if the driver side is the EXACT same..or not. But just go to the yard, and grab both of the driver side - passenger motor mounts. It bolts to the same area...But it just goes to the motor in a differnt place. So u just grab the v6 mounts and put them inside of the Bp mount brackets. And that is solved. The bottom and rear tranny mounts are the exact same.

I think i covered..everything..i prob forgot something. But if u find a decent probe Gt/mx6 v6/626 v6 in the yard, your all set.


BTW i got
v6 shifter linkage, and a v6 crossmember..if u need them. i was gonna keep it all just in case something happen to my motor, i owuld go with a KL v6. But f u need any parts, pm me. go ttons of Kl **** layin around.

[mazdachad]

So swapping from a v6 mx3 to a bpt would be similar to this swap.

[jitb37]

Yea, sort of like the opposite..But everything "chassis wise" is the same on all the 4cyl BG chassis cars. So you can get parts from all of them, for the swap.

matter of a fact, my buddy with the boosted Bp in his MX3, he has a GS. He just used everything from a Protege LX, for the BP swap.

[mazdachad]

thanks alot thats exactly the kinda news i needed.

[T4TURBO]

yes thanks. this idea is growing on me

[JesseSays]

That will be a very tight fit in there - and the motor will make the car quiet front heavy -

Its the same damn weight as a BP. Or close enough at least. It's all aluminum block.

[JesseSays]

they said that the KLZE is just as heavy as the BP. its aluminum and the bp is iron. is this true with the stateside KL motor?

It's the same block. The KLZE is just a KL03 with different cylinder heads, pistons, manifolds, and electronics.

[T4TURBO]

could someone please list the different KL series motors and what cars they are in?
so far i know there is the
KLZE-JDM mx6?
KLDE-USDM probe gt/mx6 v6? i think there is a 1.8 litre v6? could someone help me out. pease put the specs to like HP & TQ ratings

[T4TURBO]

It's the same block. The KLZE is just a KL03 with different cylinder heads, pistons, manifolds, and electronics.

thanks! would it be reasonable to make this offer to the guy selling the motor?:

$150 for just the Motor. he can keep the cams,tranny,axles. it doesnt have a disty either.
i want to get my hands on the JDM cams and a 626 tranny with the LSD. axles i have to get from the MX3 GS anyway right? and the ECU/wiring i can get from the junkyard.
would it be better to ask for it without the cams so i can just grab some JDM KLZE ones? will they fit right in there? im just trying to get the bare minimum from him, kuz i can piece together all the rest of the parts over the next couple months.( that plan works better with my budget)


thanks alot for all the replies so far guys!

[jitb37]

could someone please list the different KL series motors and what cars they are in?
so far i know there is the
KLZE-JDM mx6?
KLDE-USDM probe gt/mx6 v6? i think there is a 1.8 litre v6? could someone help me out. pease put the specs to like HP & TQ ratings

I think....this is right:, someones correct me if im wrong cuz im not sure about what came with the KLZE..

KLDE 2.5v6(170hp...i thnk somewhera round there) - Mx6 - Probe GT - 626 - Millenia

KLZE 2.5 v6(197hp) - Jdm/euro Version of the KLDE

KFZE 2.0 V6 (165hp) - MAzda Lantis (mx3 brother)

K8 1.8 V6 (130?hp ) - mx3 GS

Ive broken down and seen both the KLZE and KLDE, and there is a difference in how the KLZE is built. Cams are alot more aggressive, and Intake manifold port holes are wider, as well as the Cylinder head port holes. Not sure about the pistons, i dont know the comp ratio, but the comp is probrably higher, we never got around to takin the heads off. But get u some KLZE cams - intake manifold, and u can have a some what of a ZE..