View Full Version : Guess I won't be getting my BP after all. (I'll charge first from now on.)

05-12-2005, 04:29 AM

Okay. So I am a freelance scripter/web designer. I have never had any issues with non payment before so I usually charge after work.

I did work for a guy named Craig. He pretended to be "rich" or something, and he was paying me 300 dollars to setup a few forums sites. The 300 dollars was for my new BP engine, my B8 is about to explode. Leaking oil, PS fluid is overflowing, overheating, the whole 9 yards.

All of them were named things like, "Discussprogramming.com", or "Programmertalk.com", or "Namesville.com", or "Talkcrap.com"

So you know how he names domains. He also types kind of funny, and uses the wrong kind of "through" when that word needs to be used.

I had someone email me and ask if I could make them a site just like Craigs latest one.

He IMed me on my name "ProtegeChris" and he said he moderated for Namesville.com. ProtegeChris is only given to my friends, I don't have it on namesville.com, but Craig does have it.

After a while I said "Is this craig?" he kept saying "Who's Craig?" "I don't know any craigs"

Craig said he sent 300 dollars to the scrapyard, they never got it. He said he sent 55 dollars to me, I never got it. He said he sent it via Western Union, but he made me do more work for him to get it, and then he went idle and I haven't seen him since.

Here is the latter half of the conversation, it ended with me blocking him.

IndieBandRadio: http://www.aliensector.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6
IndieBandRadio: orangish:P
IndieBandRadio: whats the name of this site? that might help looking as well
Eworker247: the name of the website is going to be
Eworker247: TheDomainstalk
IndieBandRadio: lol you are totally craig.
IndieBandRadio: you are craighill33
IndieBandRadio: Your avatar is the same, your typing styles are the same, your logic for thinking of names for forums sites are the same.
IndieBandRadio: You IM'ed protegechris, which is not a publically available screen name, IndieBandRadio is however.
Eworker247: No im not craig
Eworker247: watch go to my domain yomah go to whois
Eworker247: and on the whois it will show you an email adress go to that email adress send an email my name is joe papalexandrou
Eworker247: tell me when you send the email
Eworker247: so i can show you proof im not craig
IndieBandRadio: What do you think of craig joe?
Eworker247: He's ok
Eworker247: i got ripped from him once
IndieBandRadio: You told me earlier you didn't know who craig was.
IndieBandRadio: Hi craig.
Eworker247: Yea i do
Eworker247: i know him
Eworker247: from websites
Eworker247: im a mod on his website how will i not know him lol
IndieBandRadio: Well he's done nothing but tell me lies so I don't feel inclined to work for any of his associates.
Eworker247: Well i want website like his and i am not craig
Eworker247: craig is a little weird
Eworker247: but i know him
IndieBandRadio: Look, craig told me on two occasions he sent money orders. They never arrived, which never happens. Then he says he sent it via western union, told me to finish another site before he gave me the number. I got in an arguement with him, finished the site anyways, then he went idle, and I haven't seen him since, almost 3 days now.
Eworker247: i send money before business happens
IndieBandRadio: If you need some work done from me, convince him to pay me what I'm owed and I'll be glad to help you out with a large discount.
Eworker247: I cant i only know him threw the net
IndieBandRadio: Otherwise, try and find another person to do it for you, getafreelancer.com is a good place.
IndieBandRadio: He spells "through" as "threw" as well.
IndieBandRadio: Goodbye. If you need me again ask craig to IM me and let me know.
Eworker247: Ok what i am not craig and you just lost big money bye
Eworker247: I pay before you start
IndieBandRadio: I lost 90 bucks, doesn't make a difference he ****ed me out of 300, I don't doubt you're him anyways.
IndieBandRadio: Yes, looking at Craigs reviews on getafreelancer.com, the only time he paid in advance, he filed a complaint with paypal and got it back.
Eworker247: Well then escrow
Eworker247: because threw escrow i give you the money and when i give you the money escrow give you the money when i recive the website
IndieBandRadio: That's just as easy to scam with. Goodbye, if you'd like another freelancer, visit getafreelancer.com and post your project. You can probably get it done cheaper.
*** "Eworker247" signed off at Wed May 11 19:40:57 2005.

It shows he signed off because I blocked him.

Today I noticed he was changing passwords for his admin accounts, and deleting all records of me (IE, posts, accounts, etc.) from all of the sites I setup for him.

I'm sure he figured out that I knew he wasn't going to pay me. There were a few he didn't touch so I made backups, deleted the sites, and the databases. He messages me several hours later, 3AM to be exact, here's the conversation.

craighill33: your not gettin paid for messing with my hosting
*** Auto-response sent to craighill33: Sleeping.
Protege Chris: Wasn't getting paid in the first place. I have the backups for everything but seeing as you started changing passwords, ignoring me, and going away for days at a time, you were never planning to pay me for the work I had done.
Protege Chris: You can take down programmertalk.com, I set that up.
craighill33: I have backups too and I have contacted hostgator and they will not be canceling my hosting nor will you be getting paid
Protege Chris: aww
craighill33: and if you keep messing with me
craighill33: remember I have your address
Protege Chris: You have backups of my work craig, I have the right to take my work down since you never paid.
craighill33: and I will show up to your front door
Protege Chris: Don't worry craig. Filing a civil suit Monday morning at the courthouse.
Protege Chris: Thanks for the threat, that's going to look great.
craighill33: lol ok you do that
Protege Chris: You need to take down all the things I've done since you're not planning on paying for the work.
craighill33: lol
craighill33: i see what you did to namesville
craighill33: that is nice
Protege Chris: Yeah, it's great isn't it. You just made excuse after excuse for over a month.
Protege Chris: You don't have a hundred thousand dollars in your paypal, I don't think you even have the mental capacity to run a hosting company, which would explain why all of your sites are hosted somewhere else.
*** "craighill33" signed off at Thu May 12 02:58:24 2005.

If he uses my work, he needs to pay me for the work. We never agreed that he could pay a million days later, I believed him when he said he lost the first money order. But when he said he lost 1 or 2 more, I started getting nervous, but I kept doing work for him, because he seemed like a cool guy, but obviously I was wrong. Non-payment gives me every right to take my work out, he shouldn't benefit from work he stole. I gave him well over a month, almost two to redeem himself.

I kept doing work and work and more work, because I was counting on the small chance that these were all coincidences and he really was going to pay me, because otherwise, I'm not going to be able to do the engine swap this summer, or buy a new family beater, or anything else I planned to do. I have 270 dollars in paypal, the engine is 300, but I need new struts. I'm going to try to get the rest of it, because I just can't not get this engine.

I wish so badly I had logged everything ever said between himself and I. He always acted friendly, "Oh I've been to texarkana!", and other things like that.

He lives on Sunnydell in
Waco, TX 76711

No exact address because I don't think it's appropriate. Why an address at all? Because this texan ****ed another. Next texas CP meet should be at his house :owned:

So to you, Craig Hill, for ****ing my plans. I salute you with a big :madfawk:

Time to find new work ;)

05-12-2005, 04:54 AM
that sucks dude, take him to court... Judge Judy :biggrin:

05-12-2005, 04:59 AM
LMFAO at www.namesville.com...

05-12-2005, 05:09 AM
I had variations of that on the other sites I took down, seems the host of those fixed that. He said he had a backup of namesville hewas going to restore. Looks like he's too stupid to delete the index.html, considering that it's been almost 8 hours and he saw it 2 hours ago.

Also, his house does not look like something someone that's "rich" would live in.

Looking at google maps, his house doesn't look like he's that rich ;)

Anyways, he beat me out of Talkcrap.com, and Programmertalk.com sadly.. Those were the ones I spent the most time on, next to namesville.

05-12-2005, 06:35 PM
Take him to court. Or go to his house and whoop his ass

Gro Harlem
05-12-2005, 07:02 PM
have a denial of service place on his gay ass.

05-12-2005, 07:21 PM
I'm going to make this guy's life a living hell however I can ;)

Good news is they still have the BP and i'm only 45 bucks short now :)

05-12-2005, 08:32 PM
DAMN! Sucks to hear that, and what you did to the site is AWESOME! lmao! Hope it all works out for the best!

05-12-2005, 10:24 PM
Start of craighill33 buffer: Thu May 12 21:13:14 2005
Protege Chris: lol scammer
craighill33: ok
*** Auto-response sent to craighill33: counterstrike
Protege Chris: Craig Hill
2112 Sunnydell Street
Waco, TX 76711

Phone Number: 254-498-1754

Protege Chris: I've got your info too so right back at ya.
craighill33: lol
craighill33: the number is right
Protege Chris: And your house doesn't look like you're too rich
craighill33: but not the address
craighill33: lol
craighill33: lol my house if very nice thank you
Protege Chris: You need to take down the discusstax.com and programmertalk or put about 100 bucks in my paypal account bro.
craighill33: lol
craighill33: go ahead and keep messing with me
Protege Chris: I'm not messing with you, that's work I did and you have no right to use it without paying for it.
craighill33: you didnt do no work for me
Protege Chris: No? Why the **** would I turn down other work to finish things for you?
Protege Chris: You not only made me lose money but now you're too bitch to come through on your end of the deal?
Protege Chris: I should have known you were full of lies from your bad reviews on getafreelancer
Protege Chris: You did the same with him, only a bit different. You paid him, then you got the work, then you filed a dispute with paypal to get your money back.
Protege Chris: You're a thief.
Protege Chris: And I'll let you know one thing, you will not get away with it. I will do everything in my power to make your life a living hell.
End of craighill33 buffer: Thu May 12 21:13:14 2005

After he said I haven't done any work for him he stopped talking. That address is correct as of May 4th, 2005. All of his domains have the same information.

He claimed to have a successful hosting company, yet their forums have only 3 members, and his "support" numbers are all out of service.

05-12-2005, 11:57 PM
post this **** on the *other* board... there's a bunch of people there from texas who may have hookups ;)

05-13-2005, 12:02 AM
*Cross-posts* for the simple fact I love spreading his information.

I've reported him to the site he gets workers for his sites at, they've refunded all the fees I got charged for him never finishing paying through escrow so I kept getting charged, they removed their BAN they had placed on me, and I'm warning them all ;)

Tomorrow his sites will be spammed.

Gro Harlem
05-13-2005, 01:17 AM
i thin kthe owner of the festiva board lives in waco....u should post there there too....

xpnsyd is his name on there.

05-13-2005, 01:30 AM
I don't think ill join a board just to crosspost something :p:

He is an idiot, he hasn't even changed his admin login info for one of his cpanel accounts, which is a master for several of his domains.

www.namesville.com/cpanel . Username is "names", password is "igothugeballs"

05-13-2005, 08:04 AM
I don't think ill join a board just to crosspost something :p:

He is an idiot, he hasn't even changed his admin login info for one of his cpanel accounts, which is a master for several of his domains.

www.namesville.com/cpanel . Username is "names", password is "igothugeballs"
IP Deny Manager

This feature will allow you to block a range of IP addresses to prevent them from accessing your site. You can also enter a fully qualified domain name, and the IP Deny Manager will attempt to resolve it to an IP address for you.

got his IP???

05-13-2005, 08:28 AM
I wish ;)

05-15-2005, 02:29 PM
craighill33: im not taking down **** so stfu
Protege Chris: Well i'll be looking out for your payment in my paypal.
craighill33: lol go ahead
craighill33: it wont never come I dont own you any money
Protege Chris: explain that
Protege Chris: Why do you not owe me for the work?
craighill33: cause you took now namesville.com which costs me about 500 dollars to build

craighill33: im not paying you a dime till namesville.com is back up
Protege Chris: Craig, as I said man, I have the backups sitting in a folder, was going to put them back up soon as I'm paid.
craighill33: I would of paid you, but you had to go and do a thing like that
craighill33: I have a full backup too
Protege Chris: You had almost 2 months
craighill33: all I have to do it
craighill33: is go to scriptlance and pay someone 10 bucks to put it back online
Protege Chris: If you do, you'd have to pay me. And then you wouldn't have an excuse.
craighill33: yep

craighill33: so im giving you one last change to put namesville.com back online
craighill33: and get paid
Protege Chris: Only if we go through escrow.
craighill33: if you dont I will just go to scriptlance
craighill33: and get someone to do it
craighill33: no thanks
craighill33: thats fine
craighill33: I will just pay someon 10 bucks to put it back up
craighill33: lol
Protege Chris: my mother is sitting here right now haha, she can't wait to talk to you
craighill33: ok
Protege Chris: okay so in court I'll sue for 290, since you just said that only cost you 10 bucks
craighill33: im not scared of your mom
craighill33: lol where is the contract?
Protege Chris: it's all written, as I said I log conversations with aim
craighill33: lol
craighill33: doesnt mean anything unless it is not signed
craighill33: dont you ever watch court tv?
Protege Chris: court tv? I've given the printed copies to our attorney
craighill33: and besides that just because you take me to court and win doesnt mean I have to pay
Protege Chris: your word is your contract
craighill33: not true
Protege Chris: you don't know, You are a moron craig.
craighill33: Dude my dad is a big time lawyer
craighill33: ok
Protege Chris: I'm done playing with you, if you don't pay, we're done here.
craighill33: moron huh?
Protege Chris: hah, what are you 12?
craighill33: ok then fine
craighill33: im 21
craighill33: bye
Protege Chris: you aren't the first person my mother and I have filed civil suit against, we have all the information we need, and I have every conversation we've every had logged. From the day I started doing work for you, to the agreement, and everything you've said that's derrogatory towards me.
craighill33: ok
craighill33: you just called me a moron
craighill33: lol got to sue me for 290
craighill33: so you can fix up your ****ty car
Protege Chris: You don't have 290 dollars.
craighill33: you white track piece of crap
Protege Chris: You are a poser craig.
craighill33: ok
craighill33: thanks

Protege Chris: you are a scammer and I will stop you from scamming others.
craighill33: you dont have 9 dollars
craighill33: ok sure you will
Protege Chris: I'm putting you on ignore until further notice if you have anything important to say, email me at ******@indiebandradio.com . Goodbye.
craighill33: im not a scammer

After I ignored him he had to IM me on my other name. obviously he is scared now, I highly doubt he is 21 and I also doubt he has 300 dollars at all.

craighill33: lol you are the one that always ims me
craighill33: lol dumbass
IndieBandRadio: trying to get my money
craighill33: bye WHITE TRASH

IndieBandRadio: the money I'm owed.
IndieBandRadio: you aren't 21
craighill33: will be june 2nd
IndieBandRadio: As I said you're going on ignore, email *removed by me* if you have anything you'd like to direct to the attorney.

He's scared ;)

I would have put the site back up if he had agreed to use escrow, but since he didn't, obviously he was just trying to get it up again. I highly doubt he has a backup either because he wouldn't let me in if he could get someone to do it for 10 bucks.

Further, he said he'd have to pay 500 to get it recoded, and after that he said he'll just pay 10 to have the backup (which he mysteriously left out before) restored, and then he offered to let me do it.


05-15-2005, 02:49 PM
I have a few frends in the FCC and us attourney's office that deal w/ this kind of fraud. Would you like me to put in a call to them? I can't garentee results but It would put this guy on the map.

ps sorry aboute the poor spelling. I've been knocking back a few brewskis

05-15-2005, 02:53 PM
That'd be awesome slayer :biggrin:

He's probably some stupid teenager or something, it'd be cool to know. If he isn't he has a lot of growing up to do.

05-15-2005, 02:56 PM
I'll try to contact them tonight after I sober up a bit. I'll get back to you tomorrow.

05-15-2005, 03:00 PM
Btw the his adress is corect? Also is craighill33 his AOL screen name? I run a remote Transfer server for AOL in my free time. I can get in contact with my administrator and posibly get his IP address bannd.

05-15-2005, 04:23 PM
send me an Indiebandradio.com bumper sticker and next time I am out that way I will go put it on his car to let him know hes being watched.

then I'll post a pic of his car here for you to see ;)

05-16-2005, 12:13 AM
I made a few calls. The fcc guy is swamped woith Ebay dealings. However the guy with the us attourney's office Is also swamped but he said he can transfer it to his supervisor. He can't garentee anything but he said that this guy will be watched in his dealings. They said that if they turn up anything that this asshole could be brought up on federal charges. I hope this all works out for you.

05-16-2005, 12:38 AM
meh.... guess you didn't post on the *other* board... would be nice to have a few guys from the waco area go kick his door down for some money anyway

05-16-2005, 03:13 AM
I just typed a long ass post but closed by accident... lord here we go again.

In February 2004 I decided to start an online radio station to promote unsigned and independently signed artists. By march 12th I had come up with the name "Unsigned Online". Unsignedonline.com was currently parked by an internet squatter type page and for sale, so I bought unsigned-online.com and put a site up.

During my experiences broadcasting I was a frequent poster at forums.winamp.com, and one day I started talking with a guy named Jason of hiddenplanetradio.com, another guy running an unsigned station. He's about 33 or 34, can't quite remember. We were friends for a while, but he always joked about my listener counts being so much higher than his, so I knew there was always a hidden animosity towards me and my station. Eventually my station, then Unsigned Online, had grown at a rate I could not keep up with, because, I was 14 at the time. So I went seeking sponsors, I had found one, but after a few weeks they simply disappeared and my station was down for a few days, while I tried to find another one. That's when I found Stargatehost.com, hiddenplanetradio.com's sponsor as well.

I sent them my proposal, and was invited to a voice chat, where jason and Mark Dufresne (the owner of stargate network and host etc) were attending, along with a few others. Essentially, in return for them taking care of my streaming costs, I would have to run their ads on my site, in my stream, and become part of their network (Look at this, www.wsgx.net, how unprofessional). There was something about them that I just didn't like, and I committed to my listeners I would not add ads into their streams, it ruins the listening experience.

After declining, they offered me cash for my domain. 1500 dollars for unsigned-online.com. At this moment I realized something was about to happen that would trouble me, why would they want my name? For 1500 I would change domains and the name of my station. This was a critical growing point for my station then, a name change could ruin me. I declined, and could tell they were disappointed.

A few days, or weeks later. UnsignedOnline.com was purchased and registered to, *drumroll* Stargate Network.

In August of 2004, at this point I had been an established business for almost 5 months with the name, they put a website up at unsignedonline.com. They couldn't obtain Unsigned Online, so they cloned it. Started a radio station with the same name and swore up and down they were the original. Because when they got the domain it showed the original registration date of 2 weeks before I got my name, even though it was a squatter page at that time.

Then they claimed they had trademarked the name Unsigned Online. I did a trademark search, none. I called around the federal offices (and my mom helped me out) , they had not filed a trademark. And if they had I would have filed an opposition to trademark.

Month after month passed, and here are some of the emails I received from mark, the owner of stargate.

Hey Chris, you want to post on your page, post all you want, it only makes you look that much more stupid, petty and whiny, but don't go posting in public venues like the shoutcast forums claiming to be the original UO , we can very easily make you totally stupid, simply by pulling the DNS and WHOIS records to show people the actual facts on paper and digital record. Keep it clean Chris, remember I spent a lot of money on trade marking a couple of months ago and the paperwork and payments have been finalized all we are waiting for is our official documentation. Now if you want to start getting all nasty here instead of growing up a bit, I can always just have you shut down entirely.. Let's see if we can avoid that for your sake huh ? If you think I'm bluffing, then go tell your mom to pull a trademark search on us and find out for yourself what kind of poor spot that puts you in. If push comes to shove Chris, and you keep pushing me like you are, I will shut you down, make no mistake... I already told you, the easiest thing for you to do is to focus on your own stuff and forget about us. You will only benefit from our popularity as your site eventually gets roll over from people hitting the wrong address. Think about it.. You don't have 40 thousand listener capacity, presently, we do, between both our commercial side and unsigned side. What makes you think we are even trying to compete with you ? There is no contest Chris. Now suck it up and enjoy your own new found popularity that will arise as a result of www.unsigedonline.com . If not, then fine game on !! You haven't even seen any where close to my nasty side, and nor do you want to. Ordinarily I'm a real mellow guy, but yer starting to get under my skin. I mean, was it not enough that I offered you everything on a silver platter months back but you had to act like a spoiled baby and tell me you'd rather see your site dead and burned into the ground ? Do you deny that statement ? Just think Chris, had you accepted my offer then, you would now look like you own over 16 stations and you'd a been in charge of almost everything, and all I asked in return from you was a legal agreement to run our ads ? Seems to me like maybe yer just plain aggravated and feeling sorry for yourself for having been so damn stupid a few months back. Either way you definitely have the mentality and demeanor of a spoiled little 2 year old. You know, the kind that has to constantly complain and whine about something just to justify their own existence ? I offered you everything, I offered to pick up all you web expenses your shout cast expenses and increase your resources !! But no you clearly and manically stated that you'd rather see it dead and screw the bands in the process I guess ? Where the hell are you even coming from on all this Chris ? Now chill out before I make you chill out, will ya ? Fact remains no matter how you slice it. We are the Original UO You are the original UOR, maybe. Try and get it straight please, before I allocate another huge chunk of money to our legal department.

Mark D.

P.S. Again, we are not here to claim to be you or steal your fan base or site traffic, you'll do enough driving them all away on your own with your general attitude and total lack of respect for the actual listeners and bands themselves, while you continue your blind little power trip and popularity contest. Just what I've seen and heard of you in 3 months, tells me flat out that you were probably an only child growing up, who was probably raised dysfunctional by a parent that had a tone of their own baggage and problems and as a result, you both ended up co-dependant and you turned into a real head case that's so insecure with himself, he needs everyone around him to boost his ego by telling him how great wonderful he is just achieve some type inner peace or consolation... Someone like you should not even be on the internet son. Take a good look at yourself... You need to make some serious changes in the next few years Chris, if you ever plan to be successful and god forbid raise a kid of your own :)_ For the record, I left home at 15 with no ones help and I never looked back. I'm a self made man Chris, and no one handed me a thing, and the reason I had to leave home at 15 was because my mother was Psycho and I was gonna end up the exact same way........ Look at me now, I own multiple companies don't even have a college degree, yet I live in a 300 thousand dollar home in Florida and drive a couple a nice new vehicles every other year.. Think about it...... I may be wrong, but I strongly believe that you simply became a product of your environment.

Turns out I was wrong about one thing.... It was just pointed out to me that you do in fact have a brother, so you are not an only child :) Don't know if you grew up together or not, and I still think I'm dead on the money about the rest of it.. I've also just been given several public forum links where you are flat out lying about being the original UO. I'll give you till the end of today to pull those threads before I send Jason in on the back side of your post to display the actual real information and truth. Yer gonna look pretty stupid I must say, when people see the Domain name records, and no matter what you think or believe Chris, we had this idea more than a year ago....

Again one last time since you can't seem to read it right every time I print it. We are not claiming to be you, we never have, we clearly stated it on our web page, we've never made any attempt to claim otherwise on anyone else's web page, in fact the only reason some people even know we exist now prior to our advertising campaign that launches Wednesday, is totally because of yourself posting all over the web. We are not UOR nor do we want to be and we are doing way more different things than you are. We conceived of our idea long before your domain name that was registered almost 4 months after ours, we are not competing with you, we were not replacing you, but now this is my last email for real, and as result of your relentless badgering you'll be hearing from our legal department over the next few weeks. We will be formally requesting that you cease and desist all use of unsigned-online.com since it appears this is the only way you'll stop harassing us. Thanks for not knowing when to just quit already Chris, you think I enjoy arguing over the web with a 15 year kid and then having to put him out of business all together ? This is freaking ridiculous !! Go do your homework. It's sick seeing you and your own mother both online together in this twisted stupid soap opera that you've created, and edging each other on. I can't even believe what I'm seeing. You 2 need a 12 step program and a break from the web, it's just not healthy, and you should really be in school. You won't reason, we offered you 2000 dollars at one time for you to move on with the way you were acting, and again, the "I'd rather see my site dead and buried or burnt into the ground" routine, or what ever it was you said exactly. Now you want to sell again ???? What the heck ? Yer really irritating me now and I want nothing to do with you. If you want to buy the rights for unsignedonline.com right now, it's going to cost 35 thousand plus. You have no rights to unsigned-online.com nor trademarks or legitimate copyrights other than the domain name itself and it may pain you to look up the .net and .org versions now as well. Thanks for pushing and thanks for costing me a bunch more monies this week that I hadn't planned on having to come out of pocket for, since I thought you'd actually realize sooner or later that you actually benefit more from this situation, than it hurting you, as I pointed out in the last email. Chris I'm done now and so are you.... No more contact. If you need to speak with us or require any further information, please do so, by communicating with our legal department at the following address and information:

Stanley Miller P.A.
Suite #201 748 East Broadway Street
Dunedin, Florida

Any future contact with me personally or any of our employees and staff members including Jason Moore, whether directly, indirectly, live in person or via email, or regular US post, will be construed and documented as additional harassment and threat and will be handled accordingly. You now have our legal departments direct contact numbers, and we expect you to communicate with them directly, and we suggest that you obtain your own legal council ASAP.

As our last and final gesture of good faith Chris, I have authorized the attorney's to include with the cease and desist order, an offer to you of $1000.00 USD for the conditional sale of unsigned-online.com in order to help you and facilitate the changes that you will have to make one way or another. This will be our last and final offer to you in any way shape or form Chris. Personally if were up to me, I wouldn't offer you more than 100.00 USD after reviewing what it's actually worth, but again I am trying to be nice about it and make things easy for you, just like I have since day one. You are the one who's been nothing but antagonistic and impossible to deal with. Should you choose not to accept our offer or you continue functioning as is, under the domain name unsigned-online.com, we will file suit immediately..

Please stop harassing us. You will receive your legal documents within the next few weeks. All future communications must be done through our legal department. Do not respond to this email.

Mark D

At this point it was December 2004. I turned 15 on december 22nd, later that month.

I was tired of being harassed. When I woke up all I could think about was "did he email me, did he call me, what's going to happen today with stargate", I was distracted from schoolwork and considered just ending the whole station right there. I was having anxiety attacks from all the crap he did.

So I finally decided, I'll take his offer, change station names. I'll either sink or float.

I started receiving letters from his attorney and my mother represented me to him.

After we performed the name change, I never received another email or letter from the attorney. SO I emailed mark several times asking how he wanted to transfer the domain name. Eventually after an aggravated email from me he sent one back claiming that I didn't do my end of the deal.

These letters are not very professional, and none were sent cerified, all mine were to his attorney.

After he said I didn't do my part, which I did (in several days instead of the month he gave me, because they sent it to my OLD address for some reason, and spelled it wrong too!).

I did not change names until I wasgiven a cease and desist. The C&D stated the name was trademarked and I was to stop using any form of the name immediately. I later found out there was no trademark, and there still isn't one. It was a cease and desist sent on false information, which is illegal.

After I figured out I was not going to get paid from him, and after several more months of waiting, I took pictures of the letters sent (Which were not sent certifed, or marked private or confidential), I posted them on Unsigned-Online.com, the domain they wanted to purchase, the one I used to use.


You can see the letters there.

On April 11th I received this email from Mark dufresne:

Looks like yer off the meds again Chris !! Do yourself a favor and let your attorneys do the talking for you. Once again you have proven your idiocy full blown. You and your mother never complied with my original arrangements, in fact you tried to extort me for 5000 dollars, which I didn't take very kindly at all. You did not comply in the proper time frame nor did you cooperate in any way shape or form until it was far too late and after additionally insulting and threatening emails while that offer was on the table. To little way to late my friends, now deal with it !! You only responded after you realized I would not stand to be extorted and after realizing that I was well within my rights. I flat out told My attorney to not respond to at all as a result, you can thank your devious conniving mother for that.

Leave Jason alone and worry about training yourself not to be such an idiot. You want a fight ? Fine bring it. Direct all your useless derogatory crap to my attorney please. You and your mom need a 12 step program as well as a pathological liars support group. The both of you are disturbingly ill in the head, this has only become more and more apparent as time has gone on. Our Unsigned project BTW has been on hold for the past 3 months and will remain so until next month. We actually had to do this while negotiation with a record label was taking place. Those negotiations are now finalizing and UO is about to be taken over by an overseas record label out of the UK next month, so you can direct all your future pissing and moaning to them . In the mean time we're busy supplying other stations with a rock solid foundation our own little thing, you ought to try it yourself and not worry so much about what everyone else is doing. You obviously have far to much time on your hands.

Best Regards,
Mark D
P.S. Our attorney will be reviewing your web page today since you've publicly posted a private legal letter, to determine if in fact there has been any legal violations as a result. Can I get your attorneys info so that we can direct any further problems to them ? I have a feeling you'll be hearing from ours long before we ever hear from yours .....

Keep in mind after this email in early April, I have not heard from him nor his attorney again, and his website has not been updated, nor the one for hiddenplanetradio.com either.

Nothing they did was the proper way to treat someone half their age, I may be only 15 now, but after the name change, traffic thrived. I am now proud to say I own the number ONE unsigned internet station in the world, I receive over 100 thousand unique hits per month, and I am in the top 300 stations of any genre in the world.

Their stations? None are even in the top four thousand.

Oh, and about craig hill. That should be his address, and the screenname is craighill33.

I posted on clubpro about craig but only received one response, letting me know my language was inappropriate ;)

I felt the need to post about my station dilemna because throughout this, I have not had any real "connections" to get anyone on my side besides my station supporters and my mother. Can't thank you enough slayer for anything you can do :) and all of you for staying on my side :grouphug:

Edit: I also forgot to add, throughout this time my mother tols Mark several times not to email me, email her. He continued sending all the threats and legal stuff to me, addressed to me in the mail, and just disregarded what she told him.

05-16-2005, 10:04 AM
This idiot is breaking laws left and right. Let's see Extortion, slander, Black mail the list goes on. What he is doing to you vilates several FCC violations as well as federal law. I work for the federal govenment and have connections if you would like I can make life VERY dificult for he and his attourney. Asumming he accually has an attourney. Any good attourny would know that what he is doing is extreemly illegal.

05-16-2005, 10:07 AM
This idiot is breaking laws left and right. Let's see Extortion, slander, Black mail the list goes on. What he is doing to you vilates several FCC violations as well as federal law. I work for the federal govenment and have connections if you would like I can make life VERY dificult for he and his attourney. Asumming he accually has an attourney. Any good attourny would know that what he is doing is extreemly illegal.

Edit: give me his email and I will see how he likes to be lagitamently threatned.

05-16-2005, 10:09 AM
Thanks man, it feels great to have someone with connections on my side for one :)

support@stargatehost.com is his email address. Knowing him he'll throw all sorts of threats at you though

05-16-2005, 10:28 AM
Once I pass this off to the FCC he will be so deep in **** that he'll ned a snorkle. My friends at the FCC do not make threats. There are those who cooperate and thos who don't. And believe me they have VERY long memories.

05-16-2005, 11:03 AM
Email sent. I have directed him to send any threats he may have to ME. I will not be intimidated. I run directly into the ppath of a 20' wall of fire moving at 25mph fo a living. I know the meaning of the word threatening.

05-16-2005, 11:11 AM
He likes threatening my mother since she's a single parent, she was a prison guard a year or two ago, trained with all sorts of weapons, I wish he'd try something ;)

The Jason guy who runs the indie station lives about 200 miles from you in yakima :biggrin:

05-16-2005, 12:32 PM
these guys you are dealing with seem like real tools. apparently they dont know what blackmail is and don't know that it is illegal.

and didn't you know, the when your on the internet you are anyone and always have a "really big" attorney :roflmao:

good luck with all this.

05-16-2005, 12:59 PM
This is the responce I got from him. I think I rattled him he's trying to denie it.

Not exactly sure what this refers to. can you please explain yourself so that we might better assist you. What are you talking about ?

Best Regards,
Mark D


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05-16-2005, 01:40 PM
that's crazy...

05-16-2005, 06:04 PM

linky no worky.....

hopefully these guys get what they deserve.

05-16-2005, 09:29 PM
these guys you are dealing with seem like real tools. apparently they dont know what blackmail is and don't know that it is illegal.

and didn't you know, the when your on the internet you are anyone and always have a "really big" attorney :roflmao:

good luck with all this.
actually it is not blackmail. it is extortion.

extortion- unjust exaction (as by the misuse of authority); "the extortion by dishonest officials of fees for performing their sworn duty"

Blackmail doesn't work because he didn't do anything wrong.

05-17-2005, 01:35 AM

linky no worky.....

hopefully these guys get what they deserve.

Try again, had server problems this afternoon :)

05-17-2005, 10:40 AM
www.indiebandradio.com is a pretty sweet site :) Don't let them bully you bro :evil:

05-17-2005, 04:33 PM
www.indiebandradio.com is a pretty sweet site :) Don't let them bully you bro :evil:


05-18-2005, 11:28 AM
Thanks ;)

About 250 dollars more and I'll have enough to make a down payment and buy the engine. Problem is, I can't do **** with the engine until there's another car to drive. The engine also only has a 3 month warranty and I'd rather not waste those 3 months.

It's going to be tough, therefore I have started the poor ass coder fund (https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_xclick&business=chris%40indiebandradio%2ecom&item_name=Starving%20Coder%20Fund%2e%20As%20you%20 should%20know%2c%20I%20was%20ripped%20off%20out%20 of%20more%20than%20300%20dollars%20for%20work%20I% 20had%20done%2c%20so%20help%21&no_shipping=0&no_note=1&tax=0&currency_code=USD)!


This one woman owes me 500 bucks.. I told her if she could come up with 300 bucks in 5 days I'd call it even. "I called my friend but he's going on a trip so he can't loan it to me". Why? Because God hates me :p:

But seriously, I'm just hoping some work comes along :)

08-08-2005, 12:46 AM

PM Sent to you. Please reply via PM, email, or IM. Thanks!

08-08-2005, 04:52 AM
PM'd, and added to MSN. I'd like to see where this is headed :yumyum:

Oh, by the way guys.. About the engine. I've got about 3.5 times enough saved to buy an engine, however the car is going to need a lot more work than I'm going to be able to put into it (struts, LX conversion, A/C, new fenders, new paint, etc.) so I've been saving to find a 94 LX or even an early 3rd gen.

08-08-2005, 10:15 AM
PM'd, and added to MSN. I'd like to see where this is headed :yumyum:

Oh, by the way guys.. About the engine. I've got about 3.5 times enough saved to buy an engine, however the car is going to need a lot more work than I'm going to be able to put into it (struts, LX conversion, A/C, new fenders, new paint, etc.) so I've been saving to find a 94 LX or even an early 3rd gen.

sad to see the red DX go, but glad your hunting for either a BP or a newer car. Both should make joo happy.

08-21-2005, 09:54 PM
Hey Chris,

I wanted to thank you for your help regarding my situation and the first part of this thread. For everyone who is reading through this thread, I won't go into lengthy details, however, I did want to clarify one thing regarding that bulk of this thread...

The domain and website, Namesville.com, is no longer owned by Craig Hill, and is in now way associated with him. Chris, thanks again for your help. Please feel free to stop by and become a member. You could win free domain names by getting involved with our new contest!


08-22-2005, 11:27 AM
i hate non payers.. from that i learned to take deposits for a mock up..

89BG 323
11-07-2010, 10:19 PM
He likes threatening my mother since she's a single parent, she was a prison guard a year or two ago, trained with all sorts of weapons, I wish he'd try something ;)

The Jason guy who runs the indie station lives about 200 miles from you in yakima :biggrin:

sorry to bump on an old thread, but seriously, dont trust anything coming outta yakima, as far as business and threats goes. i lived there for a while and there is a lot of drug and gang action man. and thats really about all the more yaks is good for. :P

nerd racing
11-07-2010, 10:39 PM
5 year old bump????


89BG 323
11-08-2010, 02:48 AM
LOL!!! zombie threads. lol i just got done watching that new zombie show "the walking dead" that was hilarious. sorry i just had to. i gotta give the zombie apocalypse a jump start somehow or another, right? lawl.