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    The Mazda 5

    We got 5 of em in today at Fusz, so I'm compelled to give my opinion of it.

    We recieved 4 autos and 1 stick. I drove the stick and 1 auto. I put a white auto with like no options in the showroom...it always makes me feel good when I put a brand new model in the showroom and everyone talks about it, especially when I know more about it than anyone else.

    I got into work and about a minute later the other new car prep drives up in the 5, I exclaimed "Wow, it's the Mazda 5!" to which he explained that he almost sent the hauler elsewhere until he looked at the Mazda emblem on the back of the cars. So he says "hop in" as we had 4 more(and 1 RX-8 and 2 3s) that were dropped off on the lower lot. So I get in. He says that he thinks it's ugly(No) and other comments. The 2 used car porters get in and comment on it and I had to explain what the car was which I expected to do anyway because I'm the only car prep who really knows the products I deal with. Then a Mazda/Subaru salesman gets in and he asked "what engine's in it?" which I had to say "jees Jeff and you're selling these things? It's the 2.3, same as the 6i and 3S.". The other new car prep says that there's 4 more of them and that 1 is a stick, so I claimed the stick.

    Even though the shifter is located Matrix/Quest/whatever style right off of the dash, it shifts amazingly similar to the Mazda 3 and 6, very precise and clunky. Handling on the Mazda 5 is exactly like the Mazda 3 it's based off of. I didn't notice any additional body roll even though it's taller, and it didn't handle like it was heavier even though it's 500lbs heavier than the 3. The gauge cluster is awsome and IMO better than the 3. The dash is very well thought out(as are all Mazda dashes...) and easy to use. The seats are downright awsome, comfortable, firm, and the material is even better than the 3.
    Now then, first thought is "well this thing is 500lbs heavier than the 3 though powered by the same 160(well, officially 157) hp, it'll be slow". It honestly doesn't feel any slower than a 3. It's peppy and accelerates good, where as the MPV's/Tribute's 3.0 feels labored and at times harsh.

    Which brings up the fact that the 5 looks a lot like the MPV, just in a smaller scale. The hood lines are very alike, the 5 has 2 sliding doors, they both have 17" wheels(on the MPV ES), and they both have a higher viewpoint/seating. This is actually quite good for the customer but I gotta think about product competition. It's a tough decision for someone to choose the MPV over the 5 unless they have more than 6 people in thier family. While the MPV clearly has more space and power, is it really necessary to pay thousands more for the MPV when the 5 starts at around $18K? It's not like the 5 doesn't have space...IMO it's got more seating space than the Subaru Tribeca(and it's a better drive too, I got the Tribeca stuck on the curb trying to get it in the showroom, even with 18" wheels it didn't have enough power to back over the curb while against it, I tried, I was flat out and it wasn't budging, I had to make a running start and hop over the curb). The rear-most seats in the 5 are relatively thin but effective...I sat back there and was just as comfortable as in the front. They fold down 50/50. The middle seats are good as well, they kinda fold to allow passengers to get in the back, or you can pull a little loop and fip the bottom forward and they fold flat and level with the back seats and trunk space. You can haul some pretty big stuff in there that way. However, the middle seats aren't removeable(without tools, lol) which seems foolish because that would create considerably more space.
    The rear doors are sliding as I mentioned before though they are powerless, but effortless to use. They are light and easy to slide(where as the MPV's without power are heavy). They do however make the 5 that much more of a minivan. I think they should have brought back the 90 degree rear doors that the 1st gen MPV had(1989-94 had only 1 rear door on the right side, '95-97 had 2) to put on the 5. The hatch is likewise light, possibly due to the use of plastic inside and out. Though you can't tell it's plastic until you touch it. And it closes as solid and the other doors. You can really tell the 5 is a Mazda Japan product and not a Mazda JapSA like the Tribute.

    All in all I like the 5. Sure, putting the 3.0 from the 6S into the 5 would have been nice(and relatively easy to do), but the main problem is that Mazda has an engine power gap from the 160hp 2.3 to the 200hp 3.0V6. The 5 could use another 25hp and more torque, though it does good for just having 148 ft lbs.


    Also related to this, as I was drying off the 5 in the showroom(it's raining here, remnants from Hurricane Dennis), the general manager was looking over the car and asked himself "I wonder what platform it's on" to which I just said "the Mazda 3 platform", and he asked another question, I answered, over and over, and even threw in "And it's electronically limited to 120mph" just for a reaction which I didn't get, but the next question was "Did you ever think about becoming a salesman?" To which I said "well, eventually..." he said "oh you have school starting soon" and I said "well that's not it really" and he said "well, what is it?" I said "I'd have to be 21 to be a salesman". You know what he said? "I think we could change the rules for someone that really knows the cars".
    So I really could start selling Mazdas. The thing is, it's $2/hr plus commission...avarage commission on a car is $200. Coincidently I make about $200 a week right now, and granted I could easily sell 1 car a week, I should be able to multiply my profit pretty easily. I don't know much about financing, though we have finance guys for that, but I don't know all of the options and special offers, etc. Not like anyone else did when they started though, and most of them retreat to the brochure for answering a customer's questions, really professional of them when asked "How much torque does the Mazda 6S have?" they say "let me check" and freggin open the brochure, the same brochure the customer has and says "It has 192". I know the cars, not the selling part, where as others learned the selling part and barely know the cars. The cars are the important part! Ah, what should I do? I'd almost feel obligated to clean the cars that I sell, after all I'm a car prep and quite frankly I don't like how the others do the job. I don't skimp or cut corners while detailing. I make each car as clean as possible and as correct as possible, even though it takes longer.
    I don't really know where I'm going with this, but I'm on the fence whether to become a salesman or stay a new car prep. Gah, what a decision!

    Anyway I hope you enjoyed my Mazda 5 first impressions. I'll do the same for the MazdaSpeed 6 and new Miata when they arrive in September.
    Last edited by MazKid; 07-12-2005, 12:11 AM.

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    #2
    pics? it's not even on the mazda usa website.

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      #3
      Very informative and well-written. Thanks for the information.
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        #4
        Here it is on the MazdaUSA site...probably the best for specs and etc.
        The official Mazda site to research and shop for all Mazda vehicles. Explore our models, features, photos, specs, build your own, and more on MazdaUSA.com.


        There's also a gallery on there, but here's more pics(note that there are some differences between the US model and the European model as seen on this site):

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          #5
          ah okay, i didn't look under upcoming vehicles . . . that would explain it

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            #6
            Yea I saw it sitting on the front line of a dealership as I was driving by. Didnt know what the hell it was. Finally got on the Mazda website today and saw some pics of it. Not sure what to think of it tho. I agree that it looks alot like the MPV, and I wonder where exactly it is supposed to fit in the Mazda line up. Whats its competition supposed to be? What is the target age group for it. I have been finding that alot with other car makers as well. Its like they build something without considering who will actually buy it. All in all, I think it looks kool, and different, but why not build something they need? Like a big brother to the Tribute. Or continue to buildup their Mazdaspeed lineup.
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              #7
              I like it, for a mini-minivan it looks good. Mazda's design team has been doing a nice job lately imo, better than an ugly ass chrysler pacifica (wtf is that thing... an oversized station wagon?) or otherwise.

              As for the salesman job maybe you should consult your boss and ask if you can give it a trial-run, and keep your detailing job if you don't like the sales part. It's really not as bad as it may seem, especially when you know the cars. I go test-drive all the new cars that I find interesting because I live 2 minutes from an automall. Every time I go to drive a car, the last was the 2005 GTO, (that thing is a bad-ass car, very smooth and comfortable with a crap-load of power) I always know more about the car than the salesman. When I drove an RX-8 the guy didn't even understand what a rotory engine is. He said it's "different and smoother than a "normal" engine, it's brand new, they just staring making them...." I wanted to smack that guy, but I just looked at him funny and gave him the scoop.

              I think a lot of people would appreciate your knowledge of the vehicle they are interested in purchasing, try it, you might like it, and the extra $$$ won't hurt either.

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                #8


                5000 rpm redline???? wtf

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                  #9
                  Very good review !!!



                  My thaugh = I saw one today, and I think its one of the uglyest mazda thats ever been built.
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                    #10
                    i checked one out a few weeks ago when i brought our 6 and 3 in for maint service. I like it, it's pretty cool, but i hate the tail lights.

                    i was happy they were tucked away on the side of the service area, not out front, so i didn't have to play goalie to the sharks...lol (no offense mazkid) they still had the white protective plastic, so i asked if they or i could remove it...dude said sure and came over with me.

                    BTW, my Brother used to sell cars, he has a fricken pshycology degree, but he was salesman of the month like every month, he sold a ****load of cars....not because he got into their heads or tricked em, but he just knew how to just *talk* to them. Seriuosly, he's mellow as hell and you'd NEVER know he had such a degree talking to him. He's the coolest dude you'd ever meet. and he knew the **** out of the cars. He's the reason i got my Protege. He worked at a Mazda dealer

                    as for what they'd compete against, well....the Scion xbox, Honda Element and others, those 2 just came to mind first.

                    Although it does make Mazda seem a little dis-oriented...unless they plan to phase out the MPV. and here's why i think them seem dis-oriented...they killed the Protege for the 3....so why the hell intro the MZ5 when the MPV is still active...WTF!

                    anyway, great write-up mazkid!

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by MazdaRacer
                      Although it does make Mazda seem a little dis-oriented...unless they plan to phase out the MPV. and here's why i think them seem dis-oriented...they killed the Protege for the 3....so why the hell intro the MZ5 when the MPV is still active...WTF!
                      Cause the MPV is a full size minivan, whereas this one competes directly with the xB and the Element as you said. Different class of cars. They didn't phase out the 626 to make room for the 3...

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by jnorion
                        They didn't phase out the 626 to make room for the 3...
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                          #13
                          You're right, they didn't phase out the 626 for the 3, though they DID phase out the 626 for the 6(because the 4th gen 626 was well past it's run) and they killed the Millenia(sure, it was past it's run but a new model would have been nice).

                          The MPV is a full size with seating for 7, the 5 seats 6 and is barely bigger than a 3 hatch. MPV has more creature comforts, 200hp, and etc.

                          They do need to work on the MPV. We don't sell many MPVs because the competition is, well, better. The MPV is smaller, lighter, and handles better than the Quest and Odessy but isn't as powerful. While I like the sportiness the MPV has over the competition, prolly only 10% of MPV owners would speed around exit ramps and twisties. Mazda could still make a larger MPV and have it fun to drive, ofcourse.

                          MazdaRacer you just happened on some Mazda 5s that weren't PDIed or checked in. I don't blame you for not wanting to feed the sharks...at my dealership they usually ask the person if they're looking at anything in particular and then leave em alone...some however bug the crap out of the person...they don't understand that some people are just looking at a car for the hell of it, not everyone is going to buy. It's just difficult because while some people want to be left alone, others want you to go out and meet them on the parking lot. The best way to distinguish is to see if the person is looking at just 1 model, related models(like if they bounce around from the 3 to the 6 or Miata to the RX-8), and if they are looking at 1 particular car and not just all of em.

                          I like when I'm in the cleaning bay and someone is on the parking lot with a friend or relative or something and they look at a car for 2 seconds and say "I like this one!". This lady did that while pointing to 1 of the 3 Bravadas we still have...made me wonder "What the hell are you thinking?!", haha.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by jnorion
                            Cause the MPV is a full size minivan, whereas this one competes directly with the xB and the Element as you said. Different class of cars. They didn't phase out the 626 to make room for the 3...
                            they are still both classed as mini vans, regardless of size. So in that sense they directly compete.

                            nothing directly competes with the other lines..
                            compact = 3
                            mid-size = 6
                            sports = RX8
                            sporty/ragtop = Miata
                            SUV = Tribute
                            Minivan = MPV .... oh wait and the MZ5.....

                            Now if they called it an MPV2, mini ppl vehicle part deux...then i'd say ok fine, like the sedan/hatch/wagon thing...different models of the same name...i just don't want it to turn into a GM or Ford thing with the same friken cars, but different names....and the 75 different types of SUVs and trucks. Stick to what works

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by MazKid

                              MazdaRacer you just happened on some Mazda 5s that weren't PDIed or checked in. I don't blame you for not wanting to feed the sharks....
                              lol, ya i musta showed up at the right time i guess. Or i was too scary looking to approach

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