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    BP Motor--- Custom Turbo or N/A Build up

    I've been reasearching for awhile, trying to come up with a list of parts that I will need for an affordable custom turbo set up for my BP Protege LX motor. So far I have come up with this list:

    For the fuel management:
    1. Apexi AFC controller $340.00
    2. 1993-up RX7 twin turbo fuel pump $130.00
    3. Cartech adjustable FMU pressure regulator $220.00
    4. Apexi boost controller (Which I already have)
    5. RC 320cc injectors $250.00 (I'm guessing)

    For the Engine:
    1. GTX 1.8 exhaust manifold from corksport $180.00
    2. 1990 Eclipse turbo (Which I already have)
    3. Flange to adapt the turbo to the manifold $50.00
    4. Eclipse intercooler (Which I have aready)
    5. Intake piping & intercooler piping $250.00
    6. Oil steal lines & fittings $50.00
    7. Eclipse BOV (Which I already have)

    GRAND TOTAL: $1470.00

    I think that covers everything unless you guys can think of anything else that I need to add.

    I've put so much time and thought into turbocharging my car that I've never even thought of building a N/A motor. How much horsepower can you get from a built up N/A BP Protege LX motor??? What would need to be done to the motor & how much money do you think it would be to build a 200 horsepower N/A BP Motor??

    #2
    From my experience, the Apex-i AFC doesn't work with your Mass Airflow sensor. Prior to now having a Haltech, I had to utilize the HKS Super-AFR instead of the Apexi. The protege has a range up to 7 volts whereas the Apex-i can only read up to 5.
    Patrick Sean-Tiu Santiago

    Current state:240 whp and 215.6 ft/lbs torque
    FOR SALE $9500


    Cardomain
    Mmmm...BPT goodness!!!

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      #3
      you still need a few gauges. EGT, Fuel pressure, oil temp, real coolant temp, volts....all would be good ideas.

      You'd have to sink in a lot more money than 1500 bucks to get anywhere near 200whp on a BP.
      "Never run out of real estate, traction & ideas at the same time"
      -93 MR2, 129 ES
      ClubProtege.com Tech Articles

      Originally posted by WTF
      Remember low compression makes more space for AIR, HEEELLOOOO!

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        #4
        At least boost and egt guages, don't forget new exhaust. You'll also need some kind of boost controller. If you've pillaged all the other stuff from the eclipse, you might as well get the injectors and their harnesses. Also the eclipse turbo will not adapt well. The eclipse's exhaust side is on the driver's side, and intake on the passenger's side, and vice versa on the gtx. But if all the piping is custom it doesn't really matter, it just might hit the radiator fan or have to be hung oddly. You'll propably need a clutch sooner than later too. If you want big power you'll need a lot. If the internals can take it, and you buy a bigger turbo, intercooler, injectors, wastgate,headgasket, head steads you could propably pull 300-400 hp on pump gas, more on race gas.
        Last edited by bam; 10-23-2003, 02:23 AM.

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          #5
          Originally posted by bam
          If the internals can take it, and you buy a bigger turbo, intercooler, injectors, wastgate,headgasket, head steads you could propably pull 300-400 hp on pump gas, more on race gas.
          The stock head studs, headgasket, and the rest of the stock engine can take 400 whp. Been done before with reliability....just don't overrev it at load
          "Never run out of real estate, traction & ideas at the same time"
          -93 MR2, 129 ES
          ClubProtege.com Tech Articles

          Originally posted by WTF
          Remember low compression makes more space for AIR, HEEELLOOOO!

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            #6
            Just out of curiosity. How much boost can the stock head gasket take? Same question with the internals? Just a neighborhood guess. Especially since it kind of depends, and assuming its tuned right. I'd think somwhere around 20-25psi is pushing it. With all the supporting mods that should be around 400hp. When I search i never get a straight answer.

            Damn I edit my posts a lot.
            Last edited by bam; 10-23-2003, 11:09 PM.

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              #7
              n/a motor build-up takes more cash than
              a turbo set-up. this is why most people go turbo, cause it's cost effective compared to n/a motors, when going for more hp.
              Almost there

              jdm tails... check
              jdm bumper... check
              ms lip... check
              ms grill... check
              ms sideskirts... check
              ms rear skirts... check
              ms spoiler... check
              ms struts... check

              Still trying for a bp swap..:
              Fidanzda 8lb flywheel, ACT HD00, UR Crank Pulley, UR Adj. Cam-Gears, Exh-Intake CamShaft Swap, MS Engine Mounts, Custom CAI, PaceSetter Header, 2.25" in/out-let Magnaflow Cat, 2.25" Mandrel-Bent Exhaust.

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                #8
                Yeah, a new clutch should definatly be on your list. I turbo'ed my N/A MX-6, and my stock one held up longer than I thought(about 3 weeks to a month), then it started slipping going into 2nd gear.

                I went with clutchmasters, but I think anyone will tell you, ACT is the absolute best, and their price shows it.
                03.5 MazdaSpeed Protege

                MAM Built Block, Microtech EMS on the way

                HiBoost FMIC--Greddy Profec-B SpecII--AWR Front Mount, RR-inserts in rear--Injen SRI--PLX Wideband

                88 MX6 LX-Turbo - DEAD

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                  #9
                  I already have a act clutch. Been on my car for two month. Can i get my ECU reprogram for running turbo? I can never imagine myself wasting 1000 dollars on a stand alone system.
                  Last edited by lui; 10-24-2003, 05:37 PM.

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                    #10
                    no. you have to run a either piggy back (HKS super-afr) or a standalone (Haltech e6k).
                    Patrick Sean-Tiu Santiago

                    Current state:240 whp and 215.6 ft/lbs torque
                    FOR SALE $9500


                    Cardomain
                    Mmmm...BPT goodness!!!

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by lui
                      I already have a act clutch. Been on my car for two month. Can i get my ECU reprogram for running turbo? I can never imagine myself wasting 1000 dollars on a stand alone system.
                      1000 bucks for a good standalone to control everything is NOT a waste.
                      Ryan The middle child is always ignored
                      BP powered 97LX Touring Edition
                      Vibrant strut tower brace, KVR front brake pads, Tungsram Megalicht H4 headlight bulbs, Phillips Halogen H3 foglight bulbs.... 91 GT rims w/ 195 60 14 Yokohomo Mirada GTX sport

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                        #12
                        i have the haltech e6k. its diffinitely worth the money. anyting i want to do to my car in the future. bigger turbo, twin turbo, add more injectors, anything you can think of, i can handle with my standalone. from air/fuel mixture to the temp when my fans turn on, it controls all.

                        piggybacks can only help so much and are not as accurate.
                        Patrick Sean-Tiu Santiago

                        Current state:240 whp and 215.6 ft/lbs torque
                        FOR SALE $9500


                        Cardomain
                        Mmmm...BPT goodness!!!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Project323
                          From my experience, the Apex-i AFC doesn't work with your Mass Airflow sensor. Prior to now having a Haltech, I had to utilize the HKS Super-AFR instead of the Apexi. The protege has a range up to 7 volts whereas the Apex-i can only read up to 5.
                          i knwo this hasnt been posted to for awhile but chris ghiles had a safc working on a btp
                          eat me

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by jacobrussell
                            i knwo this hasnt been posted to for awhile but chris ghiles had a safc working on a btp

                            chris from CS? last time i checked he wasn't using the apex-i in his escort but was using the HKS. it's also in regards to the MAF sensor. n the pro the voltage range is from 0-7 i dunno about the escort's.
                            Patrick Sean-Tiu Santiago

                            Current state:240 whp and 215.6 ft/lbs torque
                            FOR SALE $9500


                            Cardomain
                            Mmmm...BPT goodness!!!

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                              #15
                              Chris G was running an S-AFC on his swap. I also have one wired to a BP-T with BP-26 ECU. Seems to work fine for me so far. Further testing may prove other wise.
                              JordyB
                              '88 Mazda 323 GTX
                              '91 Ford Escort BPT

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