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    Notes from New Hampshire International Speedway

    Yesterday I tracked my crappy old 232K-mile DX at NHIS in Loudon, NH. The roadcourse at NHIS is a short, technical affair with some decent elevation change. It is 1.6 miles long and uses a straight from the NASCAR oval as it's front straight. There are several possible configurations, but we were using both chicanes (or esses, if you prefer). You can see the track map and read a bit more about the course here: http://www.trackpedia.com/wiki/New_H...ional_Speedway

    I found the course to be nicely suited to the Protege (my complete mods are in my sig). My usual track car is larger, heavier, and more powerful, but it gets unwieldy on tight courses with a lot of switchbacks and compromise corners (and, in contrast, it excels at high-speed tracks like Watkins Glen). Low power is not much of an issue at NHIS because to be successful you have to carry speed through the corners. Straightaways are short and the corners come in bunches. I will say though, that 102hp is a problem even at this course. My speed at the end of the front straight was 89mph at best. :p

    The most difficult section, in my opinion, is the esses--corners 1, 2a, and 2b--that carry you from the main straight to the back straight. Turn 1 is an obvious compromise corner. People use two lines: A "high" line that carves a more gradual arc to the apex, and a "low" line that darts diagonally across the track. Both lines, however, set you up for minimal track-out for 2a (the right-hander) that is even slower than one. You're doing a lot of partial throttle and careful braking here, trying to get through this smoothly without losing any speed. Turn 2b, which brings you back out onto the NASCAR oval for a moment, was tricky. I was using a very early apex for a while, which felt fast, but went to a later apex more along the conventional line later in the day. I think this was faster, judging by ground gained and lost to other cars. Either way, it's a fun corner to play with.

    Turns 9 and 10 are a blast, I think (some people don't like them because the pavement is very uneven as the track rejoins and then again leaves the NASCAR oval). Once again, there are 2 lines for 9 (a wide, arcing line and a more pronounced double-apex), but either way you need to be tight to the left when you finish 9 and cut across 10.

    The map does not accurately show what you're looking at when you get to this course. Approaching 9, there is grass runoff directly ahead. To your immediate left as you enter the corner is a wall of Jersey barriers perpendicular. On the track map, imagine this barrier as extending 2/3 up from the NASCAR oval line. And diagonally to your left is another wall--the actual wall for the oval. A huge lump of pavement juts out at the end of this wall; this is the apex for 10.

    So, when you are tight to the left (as I said above), you are tight to a Jersey barrier wall. I was coming in here, straightening momentarily, doing a bit of braking to settle the front, and then ususally doing a bit of a 4-wheel drift past the pavement lump and out across the oval. There is a lot of track-out room here (some use it all, some stay mid-track to prepare for the quickly approaching turn 11 chicane), but it is wildly off-camber in spots. The Protege could fly through here. I'd have faster cars on me going into 9, and I'd be ready to point them by. Then I'd pop out of 10, indicate that they should pass, and find that they were in no position to do so. I'll throw some pictures up of this portion of the track later today so that people can see what I'm talking about.

    Turn 11 was fun for a different sort of reason. It's not a very hard corner, but my friend and the guy manning the wrecker noticed that I was lifting the left rear wheel through here every lap. Picture is here: http://www.pansypatrol.com/people/cl...eTricycle2.JPG.

    I was really able to toss this car around in a way that some of the heavier iron was not. Most of my run group consisted of Porsches, Elises, and Evo/WRX fare. There were a few Miatas as well and a Noble. I was able to pace a new Cayman for an entire session, something I'm pretty pleased about considering the differences in power and in the cars' handling and braking capabilities.

    I think the Protege can definitely do more at it's current power levels. I badly need front camber adjustment (but don't want to spend the money on Cusco plates right now), and I need new struts because 3 out of 4 of mine are pretty much blown. My tires were dry-rotted, old, and half worn. Some new Ecsta MX or something similar will be a nice upgrade, but I don't want to do that until I have some camber adjustability. With proper alignment, better tires, and a better line through the first chicane and turn 3, I should be able to pick up some nice gains.

    www.scda1.com is the track club that I run with, by the way. It's an excellent group and their events are very well-organized. If you're in the NE area and either have track experience or want to try it, the SCDA HPDEs are great.

    Clint
    1994 Mazda Protege DX (261Kmiles): Eibach springs, Tokico struts, Addco sway bars, massively ghetto-fabulous OBX camber bolts set to max. -ve, Energy Suspension LCA bushings, disc brake conversion, Carbotech XP8 (front) and AX6 (rear) pads, ATE Superblue, 15x7 Kazera KZ-M w/ 205/50/15 Avon Tech Ra (track), 15x6 Miata wheels w/ 195/50/15 Hankook Ventus R-S2 (street) and 14" stock wheels w/ Blizzak WS-60 (ice racing), A/C delete, BP swap, POS Pacesetter (w/ leak), 2.25" custom exhaust, cage and full SCCA ITA prep possibly in the works...

    1995 3000GT VR-4:Tein Flex, 332mm Stoptechs, manual steering conversion, custom brake lines with cockpit-mounted prop. valve, AWS delete, DSM sidemounts, full ATR single-exit, 13g/9b mismatch w/9psi WG springs, DN o2 housings, SAFC, AEM wideband, much more, etc.

    1987 BMW 325is:Bilsteins/H&R Springs, very solid motor mounts, 220k - stodgy daily driver

    #2
    Cheap car + no money + urge for camber = crash bolts!
    **SOLD** 93 EGT with more suspension mods then your average riced out civic's # of decals + useless "bling/style/culture" mods! **SOLD**
    95 EGT New beater! And gawd damnit shes NOT pink!

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      #3
      Originally posted by Tazman2 View Post
      Cheap car + no money + urge for camber = crash bolts!
      Yep, I just hate them. Ideally I'd like to find something better than bolts but less expensive than Cusco plates. In the meantime, though, I might be grabbing some 20-dollar bolts so I can get new tires and do a track day on July 9.

      Clint
      1994 Mazda Protege DX (261Kmiles): Eibach springs, Tokico struts, Addco sway bars, massively ghetto-fabulous OBX camber bolts set to max. -ve, Energy Suspension LCA bushings, disc brake conversion, Carbotech XP8 (front) and AX6 (rear) pads, ATE Superblue, 15x7 Kazera KZ-M w/ 205/50/15 Avon Tech Ra (track), 15x6 Miata wheels w/ 195/50/15 Hankook Ventus R-S2 (street) and 14" stock wheels w/ Blizzak WS-60 (ice racing), A/C delete, BP swap, POS Pacesetter (w/ leak), 2.25" custom exhaust, cage and full SCCA ITA prep possibly in the works...

      1995 3000GT VR-4:Tein Flex, 332mm Stoptechs, manual steering conversion, custom brake lines with cockpit-mounted prop. valve, AWS delete, DSM sidemounts, full ATR single-exit, 13g/9b mismatch w/9psi WG springs, DN o2 housings, SAFC, AEM wideband, much more, etc.

      1987 BMW 325is:Bilsteins/H&R Springs, very solid motor mounts, 220k - stodgy daily driver

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        #4
        i'd love to get into some sort of track club but for some reason what you need to do in order to join always seems so vauge... like a secret society or something lol
        Escort GTR -- 11.87 @ 117.6 mph -- 320 HP / 325 Ft. Lbs. @ 23 PSI
        ... The first FWD BG with a Toyota E153 transmission conversion in the USA!
        Looking for BP x Toyota E153 adapter plates? PM me or contact me on Facebook: Riel Performance Parts

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          #5
          Originally posted by therieldeal View Post
          i'd love to get into some sort of track club but for some reason what you need to do in order to join always seems so vauge... like a secret society or something lol
          Not the SCDA. Send in your application and payment. You get a confirmation e-mail. You show up. You drive. If you've got a SNELL95 helmet and your car doesn't leak oil or piss coolant all over the place, you're all set.

          Clint
          1994 Mazda Protege DX (261Kmiles): Eibach springs, Tokico struts, Addco sway bars, massively ghetto-fabulous OBX camber bolts set to max. -ve, Energy Suspension LCA bushings, disc brake conversion, Carbotech XP8 (front) and AX6 (rear) pads, ATE Superblue, 15x7 Kazera KZ-M w/ 205/50/15 Avon Tech Ra (track), 15x6 Miata wheels w/ 195/50/15 Hankook Ventus R-S2 (street) and 14" stock wheels w/ Blizzak WS-60 (ice racing), A/C delete, BP swap, POS Pacesetter (w/ leak), 2.25" custom exhaust, cage and full SCCA ITA prep possibly in the works...

          1995 3000GT VR-4:Tein Flex, 332mm Stoptechs, manual steering conversion, custom brake lines with cockpit-mounted prop. valve, AWS delete, DSM sidemounts, full ATR single-exit, 13g/9b mismatch w/9psi WG springs, DN o2 housings, SAFC, AEM wideband, much more, etc.

          1987 BMW 325is:Bilsteins/H&R Springs, very solid motor mounts, 220k - stodgy daily driver

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            #6
            hmmmm interesting.......

            i might just see you at that july 9th event. any chance you want a BP for your DX?
            Escort GTR -- 11.87 @ 117.6 mph -- 320 HP / 325 Ft. Lbs. @ 23 PSI
            ... The first FWD BG with a Toyota E153 transmission conversion in the USA!
            Looking for BP x Toyota E153 adapter plates? PM me or contact me on Facebook: Riel Performance Parts

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              #7
              Originally posted by therieldeal View Post
              hmmmm interesting.......

              i might just see you at that july 9th event. any chance you want a BP for your DX?
              Probably not. I've got a BP sitting in my garage right now that I'm hoping to rebuild and install this summer (if I can set aside the money for it). What's the mileage and condition of this BP you have?

              However, if you've got a lead on any LX rear suspension/subframe parts... I'm looking for those. The donor car I got the BP out of had some badly bent rear suspension components so I couldn't just swap the complete subframe. I'm not really in the mood to torch the **** out of my current rear subframe, disassemble everything, install new bushings (as the old ones will get burnt up), reassemble with the disc brake knuckles, etc. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find a junkyard LX in Boston.

              Clint
              1994 Mazda Protege DX (261Kmiles): Eibach springs, Tokico struts, Addco sway bars, massively ghetto-fabulous OBX camber bolts set to max. -ve, Energy Suspension LCA bushings, disc brake conversion, Carbotech XP8 (front) and AX6 (rear) pads, ATE Superblue, 15x7 Kazera KZ-M w/ 205/50/15 Avon Tech Ra (track), 15x6 Miata wheels w/ 195/50/15 Hankook Ventus R-S2 (street) and 14" stock wheels w/ Blizzak WS-60 (ice racing), A/C delete, BP swap, POS Pacesetter (w/ leak), 2.25" custom exhaust, cage and full SCCA ITA prep possibly in the works...

              1995 3000GT VR-4:Tein Flex, 332mm Stoptechs, manual steering conversion, custom brake lines with cockpit-mounted prop. valve, AWS delete, DSM sidemounts, full ATR single-exit, 13g/9b mismatch w/9psi WG springs, DN o2 housings, SAFC, AEM wideband, much more, etc.

              1987 BMW 325is:Bilsteins/H&R Springs, very solid motor mounts, 220k - stodgy daily driver

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                #8
                the BP i have has high miles and would be a good rebuild candidate, but i wouldnt run it as-is. it smoked badly on startup but ran well otherwise (probably valve stem seals).

                i have some kinda rusty but useable rear spindles and lateral links from a mercury tracer LTS. same thing you are looking for except the drivers side toe is not adjustable (dumb ford thing). i also have front and rear escort GT swaybars which would be an upgrade for your DX. PM me if youre interested.
                Escort GTR -- 11.87 @ 117.6 mph -- 320 HP / 325 Ft. Lbs. @ 23 PSI
                ... The first FWD BG with a Toyota E153 transmission conversion in the USA!
                Looking for BP x Toyota E153 adapter plates? PM me or contact me on Facebook: Riel Performance Parts

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                  #9
                  I put money in the bank today for fees and my application will be in the mail tomorrow so looks like I'll be seeing you at the July 9th event.

                  Also I'm trying to find a garage to rent so I can start dismantling my old EGT so I also have a set of rusty rear spindles if you need them. I only have until the end of July to find a place or else the car goes straight to the junkers so I can't promise anything though.
                  Not the sports page Not a magazine

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                    #10
                    scott, i still need all that interior stuff . once i get my car done i'll drive it up there and swap stuff over :D
                    Escort GTR -- 11.87 @ 117.6 mph -- 320 HP / 325 Ft. Lbs. @ 23 PSI
                    ... The first FWD BG with a Toyota E153 transmission conversion in the USA!
                    Looking for BP x Toyota E153 adapter plates? PM me or contact me on Facebook: Riel Performance Parts

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                      #11
                      Hey Clint, here's some of my in-car from SCCA Club Racing. This race we aren't using the South chicane though. Still, everyone can see what you were talking about.


                      If the video doesn't show, go here:
                      http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m...ISlargefil.flv

                      Anyone that wants to see/get involved with door to door racing, I have race passes to the New England Region SCCA events on my web site,http://www.wizardracing.net
                      I'll be there July 13 - 15 and Sept 7 - 8 (the 9th I have to go to the wedding of the people that gave me the Protege to race).
                      Last edited by WIZARD Racing; 06-09-2007, 09:13 PM.
                      Buddy
                      91 Escort GT - # 58 ita
                      94 Protege - Halloween Howler car
                      WIZARD Racing Team

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                        #12
                        Way to eat that Miata!!! How do you run campared to the ITB cars? I've been harassing the comp board about moving the Protege LX/EGT down to ITB, and am looking for ammo. Car sounds great.
                        '99 ES MP3 suspension & exhaust, FS-ZE cams, Injen CAI, and a few more mods I won't admit at tech.-Gone to a good home.
                        '07 3 S Sport


                        "Never let your ego outrun your contact patches."

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                          #13
                          Just hit NHIS again today. I had hoped to have finished the rear disc conversion before today's HPDE, but I couldn't source the parts and was back out there on the rear drums. I think they're so cooked that it requires significant MC piston travel to actually engage them, which leads to pedal feel so horrible that I had fits downshifting going into turn 3 all day. The rain also made it interesting, especially since I really should have had new tires but needed to squeeze one more track day out of my current ones.

                          Hadoken, where were you? I was keeping my eye out. I'm going to be back there on the 16th of August, this time with new tires and brakes that work.

                          WIZARD Racing, is that a FLATOUT car to your right in your video? I haven't talked to the FLATOUT guys, but I see their cars rented out at HPDEs and I saw them run in some club races down at Lime Rock last month. You don't happen to have any film of laps where you aren't in quite so much traffic, do you? I'd be interested to see your approach to 3 and your line going down into the bowl when you aren't contending with 15 other cars.

                          Clint
                          1994 Mazda Protege DX (261Kmiles): Eibach springs, Tokico struts, Addco sway bars, massively ghetto-fabulous OBX camber bolts set to max. -ve, Energy Suspension LCA bushings, disc brake conversion, Carbotech XP8 (front) and AX6 (rear) pads, ATE Superblue, 15x7 Kazera KZ-M w/ 205/50/15 Avon Tech Ra (track), 15x6 Miata wheels w/ 195/50/15 Hankook Ventus R-S2 (street) and 14" stock wheels w/ Blizzak WS-60 (ice racing), A/C delete, BP swap, POS Pacesetter (w/ leak), 2.25" custom exhaust, cage and full SCCA ITA prep possibly in the works...

                          1995 3000GT VR-4:Tein Flex, 332mm Stoptechs, manual steering conversion, custom brake lines with cockpit-mounted prop. valve, AWS delete, DSM sidemounts, full ATR single-exit, 13g/9b mismatch w/9psi WG springs, DN o2 housings, SAFC, AEM wideband, much more, etc.

                          1987 BMW 325is:Bilsteins/H&R Springs, very solid motor mounts, 220k - stodgy daily driver

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                            #14
                            Hit NHIS again yesterday. I finally figured out the best line through 1-2a-2b (decided on the low line on 1, downshift coming into 2a, then neutral throttle until just after 2b turn-in, then really early on the power).

                            Come on you NE people, do an SCDA track day. There's a weekend event in Sept. that I'm doing. NHIS is a great track for relatively low-powered cars, and people at these events love to see the Protege go out on track because I can pace much "faster" cars with it. Some guy in a Cayman S in my run group came up to me and pronounced me a "sick dude". He said I had the car on 2 wheels coming through turn 10. Throwing it sideways isn't the fastest way through there because I have to tighten the radius to do it. It is a lot of fun though, and I don't lose all that much time because going through sideways allows me to carry a lot of speed into the corner.

                            Clint
                            1994 Mazda Protege DX (261Kmiles): Eibach springs, Tokico struts, Addco sway bars, massively ghetto-fabulous OBX camber bolts set to max. -ve, Energy Suspension LCA bushings, disc brake conversion, Carbotech XP8 (front) and AX6 (rear) pads, ATE Superblue, 15x7 Kazera KZ-M w/ 205/50/15 Avon Tech Ra (track), 15x6 Miata wheels w/ 195/50/15 Hankook Ventus R-S2 (street) and 14" stock wheels w/ Blizzak WS-60 (ice racing), A/C delete, BP swap, POS Pacesetter (w/ leak), 2.25" custom exhaust, cage and full SCCA ITA prep possibly in the works...

                            1995 3000GT VR-4:Tein Flex, 332mm Stoptechs, manual steering conversion, custom brake lines with cockpit-mounted prop. valve, AWS delete, DSM sidemounts, full ATR single-exit, 13g/9b mismatch w/9psi WG springs, DN o2 housings, SAFC, AEM wideband, much more, etc.

                            1987 BMW 325is:Bilsteins/H&R Springs, very solid motor mounts, 220k - stodgy daily driver

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                              #15
                              Damn man, these sound like a blast. I've been holding off because I don't think I'll pass tech inspection while leaking gear lube. I'm going to try damn hard to be there in Sept. But it all depends on if I can finally get my passenger side axle removed to replace the seals or if I have the BP in by then.

                              How is tech inspection for these events? Am I worrying too much over the oil that starts leaking after the car is parked? It's not gushing out or anything but I lose a quart of gear lube every month.
                              Not the sports page Not a magazine

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