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    v6 swap, axle doesn't fit!!! >:-o

    93 mazda protege (originally a auto dx)
    93 ford probe klde (came ouf of an auto)
    92 mazda mx3 trans flywheel clutch.
    axles were out of SOME mx3 when i went to put everything together, the axle would fit in both the trans and spindle, but they would bottom out before the bolt holes in the strut line up.....so i went to the store and got new (new to the car..remanufactured..lol) axles for a 92 mx-3 i put in the right (us-passenger/engine side) and it fit!!! oh happy day! BUT the left (driver/trans side) slides in bout thte trans and spindle but it still bottoms out before the strut bolt holes line up. could it be because its a dx spindle? any suggestions!?!?!

    #2
    you MUST use the mx3 lower control arms to get it to fit without binding.When i finished my first v6 swap, i tried using the stock control arms and the axles would bind like yours are.Youll have to modify the control arms to work with the protege/escort swaybar endlinks too.
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      #3
      Exactly what escortluver said. You need MX-3 GS (V6) lower control arms on both sides. Then you simply cut off the droplink bracket to expose a hole where your endlinks will slide into.

      Only issue here is a wider track in the front since the mx-3 GS is 30mm wider.

      get some 15mm spacers for the rear and you're set.

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        #4
        ok i put the mx3 lower control arms in, and it now fits! but its stilll really close and when im drivind i do get a slight vibration. just to clarify, can i use protege lx hub/spindles? is there a difference between the protege and mx3 gs hub/spindle? i finally got to drive it though. but no power pulled the codes, code 5. so atleast now i know i got something wrong, easy fix. once i get homw i'll look in the manual what it is..

        thank you guys so much for your help!
        Last edited by sacv6; 10-09-2007, 10:15 PM.

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          #5
          Originally posted by sacv6 View Post
          ok i put the mx3 lower control arms in, and it now fits! but its stilll really close and when im drivind i do get a slight vibration. just to clarify, can i use protege lx hub/spindles? is there a difference between the protege and mx3 gs hub/spindle? i finally got to drive it though. but no power pulled the codes, code 5. so atleast now i know i got something wrong, easy fix. once i get homw i'll look in the manual what it is..

          thank you guys so much for your help!
          i tried using stock bp hubs and spindles and i couldnt get em to work.I ended up using the mx3 LCAs,axles,hubs and spindles.The only problem ive had is the swaybar endlinks broke on me after a few months cuz the incorrect angle the escort swaybar aligns with the hole in the control arms.
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            #6
            thanks to the mx3 arms i def need a front end aligntment, lol there is a lot of toe. i pulled the engine out of a wrecked probe, figured better chances of it running good, but it runs like @#$ in the accident two of the dist cap wire outlets broke off, i think that it also messed up the distributor, caus it backfires under hard accel, i've checked the firing order, even took the cap off, lined it up to tdc, and checked firing order, etc. all is clear, changed the maf, still no luck, so i think tomorrow i am going to the junkyard again and pickin up a distributor. can't think of anything else it could be, code 5 is knock sensor, well the motor is knocking but all it should do is pull the timing not advance it!?! so im still leaning towards bad distributor.

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              #7
              Originally posted by sacv6 View Post
              thanks to the mx3 arms i def need a front end aligntment, lol there is a lot of toe. i pulled the engine out of a wrecked probe, figured better chances of it running good, but it runs like @#$ in the accident two of the dist cap wire outlets broke off, i think that it also messed up the distributor, caus it backfires under hard accel, i've checked the firing order, even took the cap off, lined it up to tdc, and checked firing order, etc. all is clear, changed the maf, still no luck, so i think tomorrow i am going to the junkyard again and pickin up a distributor. can't think of anything else it could be, code 5 is knock sensor, well the motor is knocking but all it should do is pull the timing not advance it!?! so im still leaning towards bad distributor.
              just a hunch, but what engine harness are you using? I had the same problem with the knock sensor code and i figured out that there are two connectors in the same location that you may have mixed up.I had mine plugged into the wrong one, which iirc, is the the coolant temp or fan switch or something like that.Just double check that the wire colors match up cuz mine didnt till i checked it out.Good luck with the swap and id suggest performing the HEI mod on the disty so you dont have any problems in the future
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                #8
                the harness, had an open/worn down, wire prob not making good contact, i just bought a new distributor, and even replaced the ecu, ****ched the maf too, but i still have the accel prob. if i give it about 1/8th throttle, it accels good but the more gas i give it the harder it tries, but fails under heavy accel i even get backfires sometime, i've checked the firing order a million times, but still not fixed, only other thing i can think of is the tps is off the auto, could it be different for the manual, or could it just be a bad tps??? and would a bad tps make it run that bad?

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                  #9
                  have you actually set the timing with a timing light...?
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                    #10
                    yip. replaced the tps, still having the no power problem. still getting the c/e/l upon start up. when i pull the code its code 5 knock sensor.... so my next question is, i am using a mx3 harness w/probe ecu. could there be a wire or two switched/in the wrong position? does anyone know where i can get a wire diagram for both ecu's to double check?

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by sacv6 View Post
                      yip. replaced the tps, still having the no power problem. still getting the c/e/l upon start up. when i pull the code its code 5 knock sensor.... so my next question is, i am using a mx3 harness w/probe ecu. could there be a wire or two switched/in the wrong position? does anyone know where i can get a wire diagram for both ecu's to double check?
                      i used the mx3 gs engine harness and a probe ecu and i had no problems.But like i said before, on the gs harness, there are two identical connectors that both will plug into the knock sensor.Just make sure you have the right one plugged in or just for the hell of it, swap the connectors and see what happens.Make sure you reset the ecu too, or the code will be stored and itll still run like crap.Check for vaccum leaks too especially around the tb, the base of the intake manifold,and the rubber hoses for the valve cover breathers.Id also do the paper test on the vris to make sure they are working right, which might also cause a stutter.Did you by chance get the disty from Autozone? From what ive experienced and heard, the only new disty to buy is the oem Mazda one straight from the dealer.The rest are hit or miss and some dont work right out of the box.
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                        #12
                        i went on probetalk to try and find something, but so far no luck. i jsut ran all the vacuum lines, only one that is capped off is egr vent. this solenoid is broken, so i have it capped off. yeah its a distributor from autozone. but i just find it odd that my old dist and the new dist from autozone would have the car act exactly the same. i've replaced the dist, maf, ecu, tps(maf ecu, tps were used ones out of a mx6). and it still runs exactly the same. under heavy load it backfires. and right upon start up i get a cei for knock sensor... i have looked to see what other sensor it can be plugged into but i have not found any sensor that has the same plug, also when i pulled the mx3 harness i had tape and a sharpie and marked everything on the harness, so it was plugged in that way on the mx3?? then again the mx3 was at a junkyard too.. only other thing i can think of being broken would be crank angle sensor?? but according to probe talk it wont rev above 4k if that is bad, and mine will rev fine unless its under load,

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                          #13
                          i can tell you its one of two things just by hearing itll rev fine with no load on it.Its either your plugs(never use platinums FYI) or the disty is junk.Id do a search on how to do the HEI mod on your disty.My buddy went through 4 distys through autozone and the best one lasted 2 days before screwing up.
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                            #14
                            im curious abotu the control arm thing, i didnt use mx control arms. are u sure u had the gs axles to start with?

                            and i also used egt hubs on one side, and a protege lx hib on the other...lol

                            im starting to believe there are alot of diferences in the years.. between the mx3 and protege/gt

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                              #15
                              i got axles for a 92 mazda mx3 gs v6 (1.8) non abs.
                              when they didn't fit i went online and cross referenced the part # and it was the same for the mx3 from 92 to 94 with those options, i think the passenger sidde was the same for the auto and manual (part # wise). im using 93 lx front hub/spindle/brake. and when i turn to the right it vibrates, feels like the axle binding, so i think as a pre-caution im going to go out to the junk yard and pulll the hub assemblies w/brakes off the mx3.

                              as for the backfire problem.... im running regular nipondensos and i actually pulled them and dropped the gap from .44 to .35 to see if there would be a difference, but nothing at all. also as for the distributor, i just think its a little odd that both the old one and the new one would have the exact same problem, imo there should be atleast some kind of difference if not fixed atleast for the initial test drive???? i have had alot of issues w/ the reliability of autozone parts, but they work for a while atleast? lol. thats sad. :-/ and it ran the same on the old plugs (the were platinums too :-<), wires, the only thing i changed right off the back was the distributor cap & rotor, cause when i found the motor at the junkyard, i chose to pull it instead of the other, cause it was wrecked, and it broke off two of the top dist cap wire outlets, which is why i when i read the dist are fragile to begin with, i just replaced it, thinking it prob got damaged in the wreck anyway, and HOPING it would fix my popping etc. but it proved me wrong! lol

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