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    ?? Simple Brake upgrade: 4 lug 86 - 89 BF w/r Drum ??

    Please Help!

    Simple for a simple person, as in me!

    I have done it now!

    When attempting to replace my right cv axle, I broke off 3 of my lug bolts...
    this is not good for the standard BF all in one Brake - bearing - and spindle combo = expense!!!


    I took the 2 spendles to a shop for the parts to be pressed out, est. $300. for the rotors, bearings, with new lug bolts pressed back in place!!!

    I've read the thread on the galant upgrade, it sounds over kill for my needs,
    yet I don't have all the answers to this whole issue.

    Is a simple fix to this issue even to be had??

    I need help on this on gentlemen, mechanics here don't have a clue on this car, there has to be a feasible solution to this, I just don't have time these days to yard hunt daily until I find, this piece and that piece. In hopes to find a grand retro-fit to change the world from global warming!
    Last edited by riverrunnernky; 07-10-2008, 12:02 AM.
    David
    sigpic Ky

    #2
    theres not really an easy fix... without doing the searching through yards yourself to find adaptable parts i don't know of another brake upgrade...

    1988 White GTX - #1 parts
    1988 Black GTX - #2 reliably broken touge monstar (294,000 miles no rebuilds) - dead
    1988 Blue GTX - #3 in progress (view here)
    1988 Blue GTX - #4 BPT swapped weekend warrior.
    1988 White GTX - #5 Rally car

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      #3
      What about just upgrading to the 22V, escort calipers and using them on the stock rotors??

      Anyone else tried this? The rotors are only 2mm wider so this should work.

      Price out a set of new front calipers for a 95 escort. Trade in your old ones for the core. They won't notice. They'll have 22V inscribed on them. Yours should say 18V. The caliper piston is larger. You'll have more pedal travel but the stopping power will increase some since the caliper piston is larger and transfer more force (pounds per sq in) to the pads.

      You can always upgrade to the galant 266mm rotors later if you want. It's not that hardcore of an upgrade... it's the next logical step. So next time you replace your rotors you don't have to remove the hubs. I'd do it now if I were you.

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        #4
        i would just do the upgrade now,
        Right caliper=20
        left caliper=20
        galant rotors=85 shipped
        studs are $2 a piece at autozone get 8 for the rear of a mazda b2200 truck= $16

        u will have to get new bearings/ seals/ and had the hubs pressed on/off either way, spend the extra $140 NOW and you will have better brakes, and u wont have to pull the hub off ever again to change a stupid rotor. remember 90 Foot LBS on the wheel studs, they strip easy and it ruins your day
        i did a real good writeup on 323gtx.net for the swap, HERE
        "See that car, in the 80's that car was deadly." Random man to his son while passing the GTX in a parking lot

        Originally posted by neuspeedescort
        the proper spelling would be "Launchabilitiness" i do believe.
        -88' Mazda 323 GTX, 1.8t, Modified Magazine May 2012
        -88' Mazda 323 GTX, caged and ready for dirt
        -93' Mazda Miata, half caged
        -09' Mercedes C63 AMG
        -87' Toyota Land Cruiser, 33's with slight lift, safari style!

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          #5
          Misubitshi-Galant upgrade is going to happen...

          Much of thanks Sir!

          I can't wait to print this off, and go tear it off.

          90 ft lbs is the problem, damned Midas for not torquing the lugs properly.

          I feel as if I need to carry a torque wrench in my BF knowing that. Hec I have a tendance to over tighten lugs from the farm wagons, and the farm wagons are all the torgue your arms can give it.

          Crap the mechanic I took the spindles to said $50 ea press and no more than $300 dollars to repair them as he sees it. He is not aware of the Galant upgrade.

          This info should save me some big bucks at the mechanics shop too.

          Thank you so much, I'm an idiot over this silly car, but it's so justified!

          Hell the mechanics here in Lexington think Hondu is all that, Honda is ok, but when you can have what we have why buy a 4 wheel motorcycle?
          This guy thiks Mazdas don't like wrenches. Wrong, wrenches are fore play baby!

          OMFG, I just saw you're Avatar...too phuckin funny.....I love that!!!




          Originally posted by trailrider098 View Post
          i would just do the upgrade now,
          Right caliper=20
          left caliper=20
          galant rotors=85 shipped
          studs are $2 a piece at autozone get 8 for the rear of a mazda b2200 truck= $16

          u will have to get new bearings/ seals/ and had the hubs pressed on/off either way, spend the extra $140 NOW and you will have better brakes, and u wont have to pull the hub off ever again to change a stupid rotor. remember 90 Foot LBS on the wheel studs, they strip easy and it ruins your day
          i did a real good writeup on 323gtx.net for the swap, HERE
          Last edited by riverrunnernky; 07-10-2008, 10:07 PM.
          David
          sigpic Ky

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            #6
            Originally posted by riverrunnernky View Post
            Much of thanks Sir!

            I can't wait to print this off, and go tear it off.

            90 ft lbs is the problem, damned Midas for not torquing the lugs properly.

            I feel as if I need to carry a torque wrench in my BF knowing that. Hec I have a tendance to over tighten lugs from the farm wagons, and the farm wagons are all the torgue your arms can give it.

            Crap the mechanic I took the spindles to said $50 ea press and no more than $300 dollars to repair them as he sees it. He is not aware of the Galant upgrade.

            This info should save me some big bucks at the mechanics shop too.

            Thank you so much, I'm an idiot over this silly car, but it's so justified!

            Hell the mechanics here in Lexington think Hondu is all that, Honda is ok, but when you can have what we have why buy a 4 wheel motorcycle?
            This guy thiks Mazdas don't like wrenches. Wrong, wrenches are fore play baby!

            OMFG, I just saw you're Avatar...too phuckin funny.....I love that!!!

            ya, if u overtiighten our studs they will freeze up and then the only thing you can do is snap em off. it sucks, and i do carry a tourque wrench in my car cause iv learned the hard way enough times.

            it also sucks that its gonna cost u so much for the pressing, i was able to take my hubs apart without a press by knocking the back of the hub out of the knuckle. then i put the new inside bearing in also using a hammer. i did have the outside bearing and seal pressed though just to make sure everything was seated right, and that way they only had to make 2 easy presses.
            "See that car, in the 80's that car was deadly." Random man to his son while passing the GTX in a parking lot

            Originally posted by neuspeedescort
            the proper spelling would be "Launchabilitiness" i do believe.
            -88' Mazda 323 GTX, 1.8t, Modified Magazine May 2012
            -88' Mazda 323 GTX, caged and ready for dirt
            -93' Mazda Miata, half caged
            -09' Mercedes C63 AMG
            -87' Toyota Land Cruiser, 33's with slight lift, safari style!

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              #7
              I think I'll call the Mech.

              see if he has done any work on them, if not pickem up takem home and take some TLC with them and a brass mallet. $50 bux is $100 for both spendles, that's a bit much.

              In this City one pays a mechanic/shop for the real estate first then fuel costs, and you can fit in greed in somewhere too in most cases. Dealers here are stealers.

              Thanks so much!


              Originally posted by trailrider098 View Post
              ya, if u overtiighten our studs they will freeze up and then the only thing you can do is snap em off. it sucks, and i do carry a tourque wrench in my car cause iv learned the hard way enough times.

              it also sucks that its gonna cost u so much for the pressing, i was able to take my hubs apart without a press by knocking the back of the hub out of the knuckle. then i put the new inside bearing in also using a hammer. i did have the outside bearing and seal pressed though just to make sure everything was seated right, and that way they only had to make 2 easy presses.
              Last edited by riverrunnernky; 07-10-2008, 11:36 PM.
              David
              sigpic Ky

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                #8
                remember that if you are gonna do the galant brake rotors then you gotta grind down the hub before you reasemble the bearings and spindle. Also put the new studs in, just hammer them in from the back tilll they are flush and then reassemble. if you give it to a mechanic he wont know to grind it for you and will look at you funny for doing it. when i brought my parts to the dealler to be pressed together i had everything ready for them but they were so confused on y i wasnt putting the front rotor back on. it took a lot of explaining to them on how the galant swap worked before they would press idiots
                "See that car, in the 80's that car was deadly." Random man to his son while passing the GTX in a parking lot

                Originally posted by neuspeedescort
                the proper spelling would be "Launchabilitiness" i do believe.
                -88' Mazda 323 GTX, 1.8t, Modified Magazine May 2012
                -88' Mazda 323 GTX, caged and ready for dirt
                -93' Mazda Miata, half caged
                -09' Mercedes C63 AMG
                -87' Toyota Land Cruiser, 33's with slight lift, safari style!

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                  #9
                  I have copied your wow to post ...

                  you linked me to.

                  If you put it on the Galant upgrade thread, I'm sorry I overlooked it.

                  I can say I misread the thread as one that was a radical upgrade.
                  The Mitsubishi Galant rotos as an upgrade is truly not a crazy far out upgrade.

                  I'm doing this asap. Going to get my spindles tomorrow.

                  My Akron friend Tom aka Caymen on most sites will supervise my work as I must have the brakes exact whether or not the car runs at all.



                  Originally posted by trailrider098 View Post
                  remember that if you are gonna do the galant brake rotors then you gotta grind down the hub before you reasemble the bearings and spindle. Also put the new studs in, just hammer them in from the back tilll they are flush and then reassemble. if you give it to a mechanic he wont know to grind it for you and will look at you funny for doing it. when i brought my parts to the dealler to be pressed together i had everything ready for them but they were so confused on y i wasnt putting the front rotor back on. it took a lot of explaining to them on how the galant swap worked before they would press idiots
                  David
                  sigpic Ky

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                    #10
                    i thought the same thing, i was thinking "holy crap, this is gonna be a HUGE custom job where nothing fits right" it actualy turns out to be more like a stock brake job+ grind the hub+ use different studs. easieer then i expected
                    "See that car, in the 80's that car was deadly." Random man to his son while passing the GTX in a parking lot

                    Originally posted by neuspeedescort
                    the proper spelling would be "Launchabilitiness" i do believe.
                    -88' Mazda 323 GTX, 1.8t, Modified Magazine May 2012
                    -88' Mazda 323 GTX, caged and ready for dirt
                    -93' Mazda Miata, half caged
                    -09' Mercedes C63 AMG
                    -87' Toyota Land Cruiser, 33's with slight lift, safari style!

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                      #11
                      It's going to happen most likely Monday now...

                      Originally posted by trailrider098 View Post
                      i thought the same thing, i was thinking "holy crap, this is gonna be a HUGE custom job where nothing fits right" it actualy turns out to be more like a stock brake job+ grind the hub+ use different studs. easieer then i expected

                      The shop I took the spindles to is not open today (sat) so I will get them Monday, sad as it is they are the best price in town to separate the old sets.

                      Thanks so much for this break/tip.


                      I have many projects on a shoe string budget.

                      2 damned tires for the 626 LX is over $300. and the axles and tie rod ends also are needed.

                      Complete brakes for my Pro LX.

                      Engine swap on my 91 EGT.

                      Much expence, but much fun ahead too! And I have no car/truck payments.

                      I did not set out to get all the cars, it sort of just happened.
                      I even gave one Camen GT to my friend for and easy restoration.
                      David
                      sigpic Ky

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                        #12
                        Nott Happening.....

                        [QUOTE=riverrunnernky;486579]
                        The shop I took the spindles to is not open today (sat) so I will get them Monday, sad as it is they are the best price in town to separate the old sets.

                        Thanks so much for this break/tip.


                        Here is the deal guys,

                        The original application is $228.00
                        Bearings, rotors, all repressed + $25 for a decent Tourgue wrench.

                        To do all those mods listed I blieve I should have a rally racer.

                        I may have failed to mention is my BF is an SE not a GTX or GTR, so the need to change all that stuff seems frivilous for this economy car.

                        I'll save the super mods for my 91 EGT.

                        This car has operated for 181,000 miles, Who knows what may happen to this little glorified Golf cart in another 180,000 miles.

                        My BF is back on the street, fun to drive to.

                        Thanks all the same.
                        David
                        sigpic Ky

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                          #13
                          yes it old thread, but these are old cars...where can this guys write up be found? I am in this situation now.
                          Base model 323 BF. FSM says, "reach through yurass and remove disk plates" , or words to that effect.


                          Originally posted by pikespeakgtx View Post
                          What about just upgrading to the 22V, escort calipers and using them on the stock rotors??

                          Anyone else tried this? The rotors are only 2mm wider so this should work.

                          Price out a set of new front calipers for a 95 escort. Trade in your old ones for the core. They won't notice. They'll have 22V inscribed on them. Yours should say 18V. The caliper piston is larger. You'll have more pedal travel but the stopping power will increase some since the caliper piston is larger and transfer more force (pounds per sq in) to the pads.

                          You can always upgrade to the galant 266mm rotors later if you want. It's not that hardcore of an upgrade... it's the next logical step. So next time you replace your rotors you don't have to remove the hubs. I'd do it now if I were you.

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                          u will have to get new bearings/ seals/ and had the hubs pressed on/off either way, spend the extra $140 NOW and you will have better brakes, and u wont have to pull the hub off ever again to change a stupid rotor. remember 90 Foot LBS on the wheel studs, they strip easy and it ruins your day
                          i did a real good writeup on 323gtx.net for the swap, HERE
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                          Last edited by grey1; 10-26-2009, 11:55 AM.

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                            #14
                            I even have some spare 22v calipers. Same as a on BHA , MX3, and some others?

                            Oh his link went to some other thing. Dead link.

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                              #15
                              http://323gtx.homestead.com/brakes.html

                              try this
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