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    Doo wop rally zoom boom x2

    This doesn't belong in motorsports....dammit.
    We went pretty fast the first 3 stages on day 1. Top 5 times, against the 500 hp volvo, the 70-80k Evo, and freaking *boatloads* of fancy new STI's. Then we came in for service and took off the 3 year old crap dead tires and put fresh ones on and we went out and were going really really really fast when BANG the rear diff ****ing exploded. The factory Mazda Gp A rally spec LSD. That NOBODY blows up. That damn car dyno'd at 180 or so, with 218ftlb... Now after going on the rollers, I sawzalled the cat out and replaced it with the one from my GTX, since I could see lots more daylight through it that I could the one that was on the car and that helped, and I pulled the restrictor out and polished and knife edged the trailing edge closest to the turbine, since it was fairly thick there and was prolly causing turbulence, and those 2 items added some ponies, but how in hell do you blow up the diff and not the gearbox?
    So my awesome support crew drove back to their house and grabbed an open diff from their pile of spares and brought it back and I did an allnighter installing it out there on the street in front of the hotel in the damn snow.
    next morning we transited 30 miles to the start of stage 1, no hint of any problems, looking forward to doing some serious open diff one wheel drive redemption in the snow, and less than a qtr mile into the stage I feel a vibration. Then hear a noise. Then a bad noise. Then smoke, then power loss, then no oilpressure, then park the car with #1 rod through the block.

    This car is telling me that it can't handle being driven at top 5 stage time speeds. I could put my spare block in it and put Wisecos (prolly the ones that are in the car now, #1 doesn't have a hole in it), put some Hbeam rods in there, re-do the rear diff, and try again, but I can feel it in my bones that the next time it goes out, the gearbox is gonna frag. I don't have the cash to make it competitive and reliable as an awd car but parts are out there to make it reliable as a gp5 RWD car. Next time it goes out, I don't know exactly how it will be powered, but I do know that it will be reliable. And nothing is ruled out. Maybe stay awd and try an evo3 gearbox. But that still leaves a now questionable rear end, and a 20psi hand grenade under the hood. Supra rear ends are cheap and bomb proof. T5 or many other transmissions will fit in the tunnel. The rules say the engine has to be of the same corporate family as the car, but Ford owned enough of Mazda that they are corporate family. So. strong BPT? Or 2.3 Duratec?

    ...or 4.6 modular alloy V8?
    All I know is that the car is worth the work. We out-turn and out-brake most of the field. We just need to sort out the damn drivetrain. Watch this space, there's a Protege that's gonna go places Mazda never ever thought of....
    '90 AWD Protege, full GTR drivetrain swap, ~320 whp daily driver, RIP, and
    '90 AWD Protege, yet another GTR swap, Open class rallycar with a Toyota GT4 gearbox swap, thus crossing the line between hobby and mental illness. And a Brabus E55 K8, removing all doubt.
    http://www.wihandyman.com/forum/vbpi...?do=view&g=110
    http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2599486

    #2
    for a mazda 4 cyl..... how about the FE3? it will bolt right up to a B2200 bellhousing, which will bolt right to a miata gearbox... and its pretty fkn bad arse.

    btw a rear axle from a foxbody mustang is about the right width, if you want to build a simple 3 link or 4 link...

    wait, i mean... you want to keep a BP so you can use that exhaust manifold :D

    btw, any plans for the grenaded GTR internals?
    Escort GTR -- 11.87 @ 117.6 mph -- 320 HP / 325 Ft. Lbs. @ 23 PSI
    ... The first FWD BG with a Toyota E153 transmission conversion in the USA!
    Looking for BP x Toyota E153 adapter plates? PM me or contact me on Facebook: Riel Performance Parts

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      #3
      No plans yet, but I'll keep you posted with the autopsy results.
      '90 AWD Protege, full GTR drivetrain swap, ~320 whp daily driver, RIP, and
      '90 AWD Protege, yet another GTR swap, Open class rallycar with a Toyota GT4 gearbox swap, thus crossing the line between hobby and mental illness. And a Brabus E55 K8, removing all doubt.
      http://www.wihandyman.com/forum/vbpi...?do=view&g=110
      http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2599486

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        #4
        well seems there is always bad news with the good. good luck with the repairs, its nice to see someone who bleeds mazda as a lesser man would have junked it and looked for a car everyone else is already doing to be competitive. All i can say is your a stud!
        There are no stupid questions, just stupid people.

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          #5
          pictures??
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          1992- project FE3..... 313 WHP @ 9.3psi




          I pet my dash when I get into the car..."good car"
          he actually has a mazda tree, parts grow on it

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            #6
            5-speed Miata box probably won't hold up to that abuse (lots of guys fragging them at like 250whp at the track), the 6-speed would work a bit better, but you'd really want the TII trans...
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            03 Accord DX: K24/5MT, peasant-spec old man's car
            92 240SX: KA/T25, nerd mobile

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              #7
              I pretty much guarantee the miata box would die a horrible death.
              I don't have a pic of the hole in the block, it's under the intake manifold, but here's the rear end. Amazingly, this was not a bearing failure. Zero play, I could prolly just wash em off and re-use them.
              Attached Files
              '90 AWD Protege, full GTR drivetrain swap, ~320 whp daily driver, RIP, and
              '90 AWD Protege, yet another GTR swap, Open class rallycar with a Toyota GT4 gearbox swap, thus crossing the line between hobby and mental illness. And a Brabus E55 K8, removing all doubt.
              http://www.wihandyman.com/forum/vbpi...?do=view&g=110
              http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2599486

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                #8
                Great runs and sorry to hear. I completely understand what you're saying about reliability and rally is very hard on a car. I'm looking forward to what's coming up next. That being said, I'm sure a lot of the success is due to the driver, so any car you pilot you'll probably do great in!

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                  #9
                  that rear diff failure is exactly what happened to the miata VLSD i had purchased for my 4wd pro.
                  Escort GTR -- 11.87 @ 117.6 mph -- 320 HP / 325 Ft. Lbs. @ 23 PSI
                  ... The first FWD BG with a Toyota E153 transmission conversion in the USA!
                  Looking for BP x Toyota E153 adapter plates? PM me or contact me on Facebook: Riel Performance Parts

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                    #10
                    Still dithering about the future of this car. Cheapest thing would be to put it back together as is and cross fingers and hope it doesn't break again. But what diff to put back there?
                    '90 AWD Protege, full GTR drivetrain swap, ~320 whp daily driver, RIP, and
                    '90 AWD Protege, yet another GTR swap, Open class rallycar with a Toyota GT4 gearbox swap, thus crossing the line between hobby and mental illness. And a Brabus E55 K8, removing all doubt.
                    http://www.wihandyman.com/forum/vbpi...?do=view&g=110
                    http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2599486

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                      #11
                      could you try having the ring and pinion shot peened or cryo treated or something?
                      Escort GTR -- 11.87 @ 117.6 mph -- 320 HP / 325 Ft. Lbs. @ 23 PSI
                      ... The first FWD BG with a Toyota E153 transmission conversion in the USA!
                      Looking for BP x Toyota E153 adapter plates? PM me or contact me on Facebook: Riel Performance Parts

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                        #12
                        Get a Ford 8.8" out there. That'll handle all the needs you have, and you can get an easy LSD or locker from ARB, Auburn, Detroit, etc. Width wise it might be a little wide, but you could get the axles cut down.

                        You really only even need the pumpkin, could create hybrid axles to keep the protege suspension and wheel ends. AND since it's a Ford rearend, it falls under the "corporate" law.

                        It's a crazy idea, but no crazier than an Evo gearbox. In the end, if it's not the rear diff, it's the gearbox; if not the gearbox, it's the engine.
                        Glass man, glass.
                        No car! I soldz it. Now I have a truck. I like it, but apparently it has a hard time keeping up with a slightly modified 4WD protege with half the hp. Neat.

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                          #13
                          interesting idea. Guess I better find out if I can get that thing in the correct ratio.
                          The rules don't say boo about where any other part of the drivetrain comes from so anything goes for shafts axles rear ends trannies etc, just the engine.
                          '90 AWD Protege, full GTR drivetrain swap, ~320 whp daily driver, RIP, and
                          '90 AWD Protege, yet another GTR swap, Open class rallycar with a Toyota GT4 gearbox swap, thus crossing the line between hobby and mental illness. And a Brabus E55 K8, removing all doubt.
                          http://www.wihandyman.com/forum/vbpi...?do=view&g=110
                          http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2599486

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                            #14
                            3.909 for the protege.... I'll bet you can get real close to that. Yes. 3.89 for the 9". Here's a website, has a pretty huge list of ratios mated to different lockers. I wouldn't buy there, bloody expensive.
                            No car! I soldz it. Now I have a truck. I like it, but apparently it has a hard time keeping up with a slightly modified 4WD protege with half the hp. Neat.

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                              #15
                              you can get an IRS 3.91 rear end from some supras i believe.
                              Escort GTR -- 11.87 @ 117.6 mph -- 320 HP / 325 Ft. Lbs. @ 23 PSI
                              ... The first FWD BG with a Toyota E153 transmission conversion in the USA!
                              Looking for BP x Toyota E153 adapter plates? PM me or contact me on Facebook: Riel Performance Parts

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