Engine adapter plates

[Damkid]

Has anyone tried making an adapter plate the be able to use a B (engine) series transmission (Escort GT/ 323 tranny etc.) on the KL engines?

[therieldeal]

it would be pointless. the transmissions are essentially the same internally.

[Damkid]

You are right but I'm thinking about the GTX tranny to be specific, Im hoping to turn my KLZE festiva into AWD, which is the only reason I'm asking about the adapter plate

[bomdoutscort]

Its the bellhousing thats different from the kl and the escort/pro and i think the diff is also different as they take different axles.

[Rocketman]

I think you'd tear a GTX tranny up with a KL. If you're going to go through the trouble of having one made find a tranny worth using

Should mid-rear the KL!!

[Damkid]

Since the festiva is based on the BF chassis, if I used the GTX tranny I won't need custom axles

[trailrider098]

Since the festiva is based on the BF chassis, if I used the GTX tranny I won't need custom axles

you are talking about converting a FWD festiva into AWD and you are worried about something little like custom axles? Like Rocketman said, if you are gonna go through the HUGE project of cutting up your car do it right and find a tranny that will hold the power you have.

[Damkid]

Guys I know the pros and cons of the GTX tranny, but when you consider the fact that once a GTX tranny is mounted then my clutch cable will bolt right up, my shift linkage will dam near bolt up and the axles will fit right in, plus it would have the same gear ratio as the rear diff, then that makes it my tranny of choice, it's about keeping a huge list of things to do from getting out of control so I will finish the project

So back to my original question, has anyone used an adapter plate on anything B series? Or does anyone have a CAD drawing for the engine to tranny bolt pattern for the B series?

[azgtx]

GTX tranny has a hydraulic clutch.
Clay

[Rocketman]

GTX tranny has a hydraulic clutch.
Clay

+2.
I was able to convert mine to cable but its not the prettiest arrangement. BG Gtx trans really cannot be converted, I'll be swapping to N/A capri pedal assembly and clutch master cyl when mine goes in

Also, the GTX uses a cable shift so your rod linkage will need replaced too.

Aaaand the GTX axles are totally different, FWD axles will not work at all I found that out the hard way in my AWD conversion

[Damkid]

+2.
I was able to convert mine to cable but its not the prettiest arrangement. BG Gtx trans really cannot be converted, I'll be swapping to N/A capri pedal assembly and clutch master cyl when mine goes in

Also, the GTX uses a cable shift so your rod linkage will need replaced too.

Aaaand the GTX axles are totally different, FWD axles will not work at all I found that out the hard way in my AWD conversion

Hmm maybe i'm mistaken on a few things, i know the intermediate shafts are different so i would be using the GTX one for sure

[Rocketman]

Yeah I had to source a whole set of front AWD axles close to last minute, the intermediate and driverside axle are GTX specific, I think it may be possible to use a FWD passenger axle but I haven't tested that yet.

see my project thread on here and www.werbatfik.com/gtxr2.htm and also google the AWD Tracer project, kevin's swap helped me out tremendously.

I'm not trying to discourage you, infact I'd love to see a V6 AWD festiva, but theres a hell of a lot that goes into it...at first I thought GTX~= fwd BF...turns out there are a whole hell of a lot of substantial differences. I did as much research as thought I possibly could and even then I still ran into issues I'd had no idea about. I'll help out in whatever way I can.

But I'm still going to be honest, I don't think its a good idea to mate a KL to a BF GTX trans. The trans have enough issues with stock/modded B6T's, as I'm sure you're aware, and its really no fun to have an awesome car you've built totally custom that you can't really beat on. One of the reasons I am going to the BG GTX trans, which might be a bit misguided, but I want to have fun with my car!

[crazycanadian]

I am going to say the same thing as everyone else here and tell you to stay away from the BF GTX trans.. go with something beefier.. I have a slightly modded GTX and I have had to rebuild the transmission twice now... I am not an idiot with how I drive, but I did run that car hard in the past..

Rocket has the other stuff covered with the differences in linkages...

[Turpro]

There's actually a guy in probetalk doing a fwd toyota tranni(like jons) in his probe. If you talk to him you could source a 4wd toyota trans and throw whatever you want at it

[Damkid]

If using the GTX tranny will be the same amount of work as say the Toyota tranny, then yes I would be better off going that way, I do have it set it my mind that I want to do an AWD conversion since once I put boost to my car, traction is going to be a nightmare and AWD would solve any traction issues