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    chipped honda ecu to run BF w/ b6t?

    just as the heading says, anyone thought about using a honda ecu to run their BF?

    late 90s civic (96-00) come with wire harnesses that go from the engine all the way to the ecu as one harness. its not all that big of a harness either, and can be converted to obd1 (chipped honda ecus can be obd1 or obd0) with simple harnesses or swapping of main ecu plugs (from any of the 88-95 civics or integras).

    pros:
    • cost
    • management programs
    • already set for MAP
    • less actual sensors to plug in = most tuning software can eliminate unused sensors
    • readily available supply of parts


    cons:
    • will have to do some wire conversions for plugs
    • some sensors might need to be added, doubtful
    • distributor, honda ecu doesnt use vac/boost advance/retard


    can anyone think of any reason i couldnt use a chipped honda ecu to run my BF w/ b6t? i really am interested in this. i already have a 96-00 harness and chipped ecu, from a different build two years ago.

    please dont poke fun at this or tell me to run just run MS, those would be useless posts. this is an honest question and should be addressed as such.
    11
    Yes, try it
    81.82%
    9
    No, it wont work
    9.09%
    1
    I have no idea what this is, just wanted to vote
    9.09%
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    #2
    I say try it! I'm sure it will work

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      #3
      Lots of those Hondas run backwards compared to the B6T (and most other engines). Keep this in mind.
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        #4
        The biggest problem will be that the Fuel and timing maps will be all wrong. Whne you say chipped, I think you mean either a new generic program for the Honda or one that fools the PCM until deliering more fuel. Engine management is not a fuzzy mystical art, but hard science. At a particulur engine load and speed the engine requires a specfic amount of fuel and spark for peak performance. Each engine will be unique. Sure, you will proably get the engine to run, but why? In the long run, you will have spent more time and money and have less performance, then if you just got a decent aftermarket EMS.

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          #5
          i adapted the honda disty to work in a BP motor & started on the wiring project to finish through with this. i know it can be done. i just stopped trying.
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            #6
            you would have to run basically all honda sensors and once you add up most of the cost (unless your using used sensors) your pretty close to the cost of a self built MS. considering the stock pile of ms projects i already have, i decided to just go with MS for a friends BF
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              #7
              Y not just get a chipped B6T ECU? problem solved. I think if you talk to Rocketman he will give you different maps
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                #8
                Originally posted by trailrider098 View Post
                Y not just get a chipped B6T ECU? problem solved. I think if you talk to Rocketman he will give you different maps
                I thought the same thing after realizing it was for a BF B6T lol

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                  #9
                  Sell the honda stuff and get a pnp ms unit. No guessing involved
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                  Originally posted by jay
                  .....they totally underestimated the number of gearheads such as myself that have families but refuse to grow the hell up and stop playing with cars, or that otherwise see the utility of having 4 doors. Obviously I ain't alone, as there are a helluva lotta sti and evo here. Bueler? Beuler? Mazda? Mazda?

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Scott@USRT View Post
                    Lots of those Hondas run backwards compared to the B6T (and most other engines). Keep this in mind.
                    yes honda ran its engine counterclock wise for years and years. however, the tuning software doesnt care as long as it gets the correct signals. working on hondas now since 97....

                    Originally posted by Rivet View Post
                    Each engine will be unique. Sure, you will proably get the engine to run, but why? In the long run, you will have spent more time and money and have less performance, then if you just got a decent aftermarket EMS.
                    current market honda tuning programs are on par with AEM and such aftermarket EMS. ITB, NO2 control, launch control, multiple boost settings, boost by gear, etc have all been added to tuning programs for hondas with chip-able ecus. hence the reason behind me wanting to use one.

                    Originally posted by Rivet View Post
                    The biggest problem will be that the Fuel and timing maps will be all wrong. Whne you say chipped, I think you mean either a new generic program for the Honda or one that fools the PCM until deliering more fuel. Engine management is not a fuzzy mystical art, but hard science.
                    no, i was not talking about a chip from ebay :D. i was talking about a fully tunable ecu chip. as in custom one off that no one else will have that is specific to my engine. the chip in the honda ecu i have next to me had my little 99 civic pushing 280 whp (with a little turbo help), trust that its not generic in anyway

                    Originally posted by bpt323 View Post
                    i adapted the honda disty to work in a BP motor & started on the wiring project to finish through with this. i know it can be done. i just stopped trying.
                    oh really? thats interesting. was honestly thinking of just jumping from the honda harness to the b6t distributor harness plug and ditching the vac advance. or seeing what other distributors i could run other then OE. thanks for the info....

                    Originally posted by MD323 View Post
                    you would have to run basically all honda sensors and once you add up most of the cost (unless your using used sensors) your pretty close to the cost of a self built MS. considering the stock pile of ms projects i already have, i decided to just go with MS for a friends BF
                    i would go used. i have more then a few places to get 90% of the sensors needed for free or less then a 6 pack of beer. honda sensors (other then o2) have a very low fail rate.

                    Originally posted by trailrider098 View Post
                    Y not just get a chipped B6T ECU? problem solved. I think if you talk to Rocketman he will give you different maps
                    price mostly, to chip the b6t ecu is $160-250 i can chip a honda ecu for ~$25. this is for HIS tune, not MY tune. nothing against the guy, i asked him for a price and such already. i hear his tune is very good to start with. but i want something specific to me and my engine mods (or lack there of at this point).

                    Originally posted by Turpro View Post
                    Sell the honda stuff and get a pnp ms unit. No guessing involved
                    is there one for a BF? i saw BG and miata, but nothing for PnP BF.

                    i am in california, so having a system that unplugs easy and can be swapped for stock is a MUST. the easier i can make the swap from tuned to de-tuned and smoggable, the better. if its really that big of a hassle, i'll probably just leave the car stock. its plenty quick enough for grocery duties, just figured i would try to open it up a bit in the power range with the stock components.
                    Last edited by 99EJ6T; 07-23-2010, 03:35 AM.
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                      #11
                      Disrepaurd what I said. I was thinking miata when I posted. Sorry
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                      Originally posted by jay
                      .....they totally underestimated the number of gearheads such as myself that have families but refuse to grow the hell up and stop playing with cars, or that otherwise see the utility of having 4 doors. Obviously I ain't alone, as there are a helluva lotta sti and evo here. Bueler? Beuler? Mazda? Mazda?

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                        #12
                        its ok, everyone makes mistakes
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by 99EJ6T View Post
                          yes honda ran its engine counterclock wise for years and years. however, the tuning software doesnt care as long as it gets the correct signals. working on hondas now since 97...
                          Okay, but how about the reverse firing order? It seems to me that you'd need to trick the ECU into doing ignition backwards. If fueling is batch fire, it won't matter, of course. I'm speaking only theoretically here and have never done any Honda work. So, educate ME, if you will, please.

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                            #14
                            firing order is still 1-3-4-2 on hondas and 99% of 4 cylinders.... for that matter... i still feel it'd be easier to run MS , why spend all the time adapting honda crap where it was never meant to be.....

                            I mean i def. see where your going .... the possibilities and cost effectiveness of a tune on crome in a socketed P28/P72/P2P vs an MS setup... but I dont think its worth the work in my opinon
                            Last edited by CaymenEGT91; 07-23-2010, 03:30 PM.

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                              #15
                              Thanks for that clarification. I come from a mostly VW/Audi background and we elect to remain blissfully ignorant bout Honda stuff.
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