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    Project rebirth lots o pics

    I had another build thread here http://www.wihandyman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49362 ,but the car was beound my skill level of repair ,so it was striped and scrapped, so I’m starting a new one.

    I then set out in search for another GT
    I found one in Miami being sold by a member on this forum that goes by the name of Jbuddy. I picked up the car a few months ago ,but i didn’t have space at my house, so its been sitting at a friend’s since then. i now have space ...thus it begins.

    heres the car as it sits .






    Some parts that came with the car.

    Kia bp05 (Disassembled) kia trans


    custom clutch

    YIKES! (might be replacing this with something a little more street friendly


    mazda VC


    Pimtastic!


    This engine my buddy greg gave me, it came from a EGT but he had it in his rear mount turbo festiva .his SN here is Eurotiva it lost an oil pump...and since you have to pull the engine to replace the oil pump he just opted to replace the engine. So this one has been sitting in his garage... hopefully it didn’t get hurt when the pump died because i plan to take the pump from the engine below and run this one while i build the kia bp in the trunk...





    Thus is what was left of the engine that was in the car when i got it.
    It was a kia BP ... i believe this is the engine Jbuddy made a little over 300whp on...



    Stripped the engine down ...surprised at the lack of bent rods (other than #4)
    All the parts that seem to still be good amazing the crank doesn’t seem to be damaged.




    carnage








    next step is to clean up the engine bay and get rid of anything that dosnt need to be there. No ac or power steering.
    Then im going to throw a oil pump on the engine on the stand , and start fabing up my turbo setup...

    More to come.
    Last edited by PhatnackyOne; 03-06-2011, 05:55 PM.
    1993 escort GT (work in progress)http://www.wihandyman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52303
    2006 Chevy Cobalt SS/SC 2.7 pulley,pacesetter header,E85, no cat,airbx mod, axillary heat exchanger. 13.2 @ 110 (RIP:totaled )

    #2
    nice score! never knew jbuddy sold the car. I remember it vaguely, but did it come with the turbo setup he had on it?

    Also if the oil pump failed causing loss of oil pressure, I'd imagine there would be some oil starvation damage...your only real way to tell is to pull the crank and check the bearings for hot spots and such. I could be over paranoid, but this is what I've heard in the past.
    -Jack

    ONTARIO MAZDA CLUB! Join! https://www.facebook.com/groups/500055016671733/

    91 626 LX - basically stock and pretty slow still
    http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/sho...my-GD-626-LX-)

    01 E53 3.0i - FOR SALE! pm if interested

    91 USDM Protege LX - SOLD! turbo/manifold up for sale!
    http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46606

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      #3
      Ah, good to see you got another bg. Next time I'm up there I'll have to stop by.
      -Steve

      94' Protege < Worklog<SOLD!
      VF10 powered!
      262 Whp & 257 Wtq
      13.1@107

      '02 Suzuki Bandit 600s

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        #4
        Originally posted by Mazda_Powered View Post
        nice score! never knew jbuddy sold the car. I remember it vaguely, but did it come with the turbo setup he had on it?

        Also if the oil pump failed causing loss of oil pressure, I'd imagine there would be some oil starvation damage...your only real way to tell is to pull the crank and check the bearings for hot spots and such. I could be over paranoid, but this is what I've heard in the past.
        he says he knew right away when the pump went. he shut it off and towed it home. it will cost me about 40-60 bucks in gaskets to get it,so if its bad i wont be out of much ...other than time.

        no turbo stuff came with the car, other than a vaf tuned for rx7 injectors ,and some oil lines ,Im going to make a up-pipe to mount the turbo to the stock manifold.
        the turbo I’m using is from a 12A rx7 ... Hitachi HT18-bm its old as dirt and only oil cooled. its about the size of a large t3-t4 i think the turbine is like 62mm 11 blade and the compressor is 63 12blade. Its also internally waste gated. I think it peters out around 16psi but with some porting it can see more... I have no idea how this will perform on the BP But it should be interesting. I'll be happy if i see 200whp with this set up.





        My inaticle plan is this
        • Phase one: my goal is to see how fast i can go with as little money invested as possible. Im going to copy jbuddys engine management setup . 550cc injectors ,1:1fmu ,tuned vaf, walbro in tank (i think one came with the car).Ill use this setup on the engine Greg (eurotiva) gave me if it wasn’t hurt. In parallel with my budget experiment I’ll also start building the engine that came in the trunk, maybe port match the head all the good stuff.
        • Phase 2:Then i plan to build a megasquirt II or III and see where i get.This way i can familiarize myself with MS.
        • Phase 3: install built bp with better turbo and mainfold




        While I’m gathering cash for parts I’m going to work on the body, I’m going to ditch the aftermarket bumper, i have the stock bumper from the green EGT,and i want to simi-shave the engine bay, with a wire tuck.
        1993 escort GT (work in progress)http://www.wihandyman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52303
        2006 Chevy Cobalt SS/SC 2.7 pulley,pacesetter header,E85, no cat,airbx mod, axillary heat exchanger. 13.2 @ 110 (RIP:totaled )

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          #5
          Nice sounds like you have a plan set and in motion. Are you using the n/a ecu? or the gtx ecu for the phase one? I see 550cc injectors in there lol
          -Jack

          ONTARIO MAZDA CLUB! Join! https://www.facebook.com/groups/500055016671733/

          91 626 LX - basically stock and pretty slow still
          http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/sho...my-GD-626-LX-)

          01 E53 3.0i - FOR SALE! pm if interested

          91 USDM Protege LX - SOLD! turbo/manifold up for sale!
          http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46606

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            #6
            Originally posted by Mazda_Powered View Post
            Nice sounds like you have a plan set and in motion. Are you using the n/a ecu? or the gtx ecu for the phase one? I see 550cc injectors in there lol
            b code vaf that i guess is tuned for 550s (its what Jbuddy was using ) on stock bp09 ecu i guess i could go with smaller injectors and retune the vaf since im shooting for a much lower numbers than jbuddys set up. maybe gain some MPG out of it lol.
            1993 escort GT (work in progress)http://www.wihandyman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52303
            2006 Chevy Cobalt SS/SC 2.7 pulley,pacesetter header,E85, no cat,airbx mod, axillary heat exchanger. 13.2 @ 110 (RIP:totaled )

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              #7
              haha ya, I'd imagine the mpg with the 550s and bp09 ecu would be comparable to an early model V8 lol. To pull off 200whp you'd be able to get away 360cc or larger injectors and still not have them maxed out afaik. I know ppl pull 200whp on a GTX setup with factory GTX injectors (330cc)
              -Jack

              ONTARIO MAZDA CLUB! Join! https://www.facebook.com/groups/500055016671733/

              91 626 LX - basically stock and pretty slow still
              http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/sho...my-GD-626-LX-)

              01 E53 3.0i - FOR SALE! pm if interested

              91 USDM Protege LX - SOLD! turbo/manifold up for sale!
              http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46606

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                #8
                Good start, man!
                Especially I like your clutch disk ))
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                1990 323s BG 1.6i

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Mazda_Powered View Post
                  haha ya, I'd imagine the mpg with the 550s and bp09 ecu would be comparable to an early model V8 lol. To pull off 200whp you'd be able to get away 360cc or larger injectors and still not have them maxed out afaik. I know ppl pull 200whp on a GTX setup with factory GTX injectors (330cc)
                  Just to clarify what i was going to do, maybe you can offer some advice.
                  I was going to run the 550s with a b code vaf and adjustable fuel pressure regulator (AFPR), not to be confused with a raising rate regulator or FMU .
                  Lets say my base fuel pressure is 40 psi and i run 550cc injectors that are flow rated at 40 psi. At idle the car would spit fuel out the exhaust, so I would use the AFPR to lower the base fuel presser at idle to the point where the 550s would flow more like 250s, and when the car got into boost the AFPR will add 1psi for ever pound of boost (1:1) ratio until the base fuel pressure is reached at which point the 550s will flow like 550s again. Pretty much the inverse of running an FMU with small injectors and shooting the fuel pressure into the stratosphere to make the small injectors flow like big injectors.


                  I think between the B code vaf and AFPR i could get the car to idle and drive fairly well.... to make things better i could run smaller injectors and a AFPR in cognition with a FMU with a low ratio , but for the money i would spend for a AFMU i may as well just build a mega squirt. This setup will be temporary and this car isn’t going to be my primary source of transport so im not to worried about gas mileage.




                  edit
                  well after some more research i see that this wont work because low fuel presser might cause poor atomization that can cause pooling in the intake.
                  550s are a bit large for my goal but i like to have the extra head room. this plan may still work with smaller 440 injectors , i guess the only way to find out is to try lol.
                  Last edited by PhatnackyOne; 03-08-2011, 08:10 PM. Reason: just becasue
                  1993 escort GT (work in progress)http://www.wihandyman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52303
                  2006 Chevy Cobalt SS/SC 2.7 pulley,pacesetter header,E85, no cat,airbx mod, axillary heat exchanger. 13.2 @ 110 (RIP:totaled )

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                    #10
                    You could do it that way, I don't see why it shouldn't work. You would just have to figure out what psi to set the AFPR to for idle. I guess you could just lower it 10psi and see what your wideband shows for your a/f ratios...and just tune that way? Is that what you're thinkin?

                    A GTX ECU controls fuel in boost much better than the n/a ECU, so don't forget that's a reasonable option as well, you'll be able to sell it for the price you purchased it for...so you're not out any money in the end. They go for roughly $100-120 shipped in the US from what I've seen.
                    -Jack

                    ONTARIO MAZDA CLUB! Join! https://www.facebook.com/groups/500055016671733/

                    91 626 LX - basically stock and pretty slow still
                    http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/sho...my-GD-626-LX-)

                    01 E53 3.0i - FOR SALE! pm if interested

                    91 USDM Protege LX - SOLD! turbo/manifold up for sale!
                    http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46606

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Mazda_Powered View Post
                      You could do it that way, I don't see why it shouldn't work. You would just have to figure out what psi to set the AFPR to for idle. I guess you could just lower it 10psi and see what your wideband shows for your a/f ratios...and just tune that way? Is that what you're thinkin?

                      A GTX ECU controls fuel in boost much better than the n/a ECU, so don't forget that's a reasonable option as well, you'll be able to sell it for the price you purchased it for...so you're not out any money in the end. They go for roughly $100-120 shipped in the US from what I've seen.
                      After more research And actually measuring my turbo, I think im gonna just sick with the 330s and b-vaf for for now.

                      My turbo is roughly 1.5-2.48 on the cold side which puts it right around the size of a T3 40trim and the hot side is 2.1 2.5 so its like a t3 40 stage 2 lol .
                      I used a the Ray Hall calculator to map the bp , i used a map for a t3 40trim since its compressor is closest to what i have.

                      the turbo peaks right in the engines mid range , and top end is almost off the efficiency chart. So it looks like after about 5k the turbo will fall flat on its face. But i could be wrong due to turbines size . But i think i'll lower my first goal to 170ish whp until i build my Mega Squirt and source a bigger turbo. So until then i think the 330 or 370s with a tuned b code will work for the time being.
                      1993 escort GT (work in progress)http://www.wihandyman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52303
                      2006 Chevy Cobalt SS/SC 2.7 pulley,pacesetter header,E85, no cat,airbx mod, axillary heat exchanger. 13.2 @ 110 (RIP:totaled )

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                        #12
                        yep should work fine then, that KKK turbo sounds like what I've heard about the GTX vj-20 turbo, won't hold 10psi til redline lol, dies off around 5,500rpm or so.
                        -Jack

                        ONTARIO MAZDA CLUB! Join! https://www.facebook.com/groups/500055016671733/

                        91 626 LX - basically stock and pretty slow still
                        http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/sho...my-GD-626-LX-)

                        01 E53 3.0i - FOR SALE! pm if interested

                        91 USDM Protege LX - SOLD! turbo/manifold up for sale!
                        http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46606

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                          #13
                          Another thing iv been looking at. The old block that was in the car.
                          The car made 300whp on stock bottom end but i don't think the rod threw the block was due to weak components. all the other rods and pistons look fine, i was really expecting to see some bent rods upon pulling the engine apart. looking at the way the rod twisted and broke I'm gonna guess the cause of failure was a detonation event on the compression stroke, which all the more reason for me not to try and run high boost on the stock ecu with the aid of an fmu
                          1993 escort GT (work in progress)http://www.wihandyman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52303
                          2006 Chevy Cobalt SS/SC 2.7 pulley,pacesetter header,E85, no cat,airbx mod, axillary heat exchanger. 13.2 @ 110 (RIP:totaled )

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                            #14
                            So... i checked the berings on the engine that the pump died on ...looks like he didnt turn it off in time. lol

                            main number 3,this was the worst , all the and rod bearing are burnt and the jurrnals are burnt and some are scored...




                            So new game plan. since i don't have an engine to "waste" I'm going to put the KIA engine in the trunk together and not half as the turbo setup.
                            So...
                            Build plain as of now is
                            • Megasquirt 1 v3.0
                            • walbro 255
                            • custom up pipe to utilize the factory manifold
                            • RX7 HT18 bm turbo (cold side about the size of a t3 40 trim hot side t3 stage II no idea how this will preform but I'm thinking great midrange and not much else)
                            • 550cc injectors(not yet sourced)
                            • Half size racing raditor from honda
                            • FMIC (not yet sourced)
                            • oil cooler
                            1993 escort GT (work in progress)http://www.wihandyman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52303
                            2006 Chevy Cobalt SS/SC 2.7 pulley,pacesetter header,E85, no cat,airbx mod, axillary heat exchanger. 13.2 @ 110 (RIP:totaled )

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                              #15
                              damn dude that sucks!!!

                              Sounds like you have a solid plan to get into motion tho!!! Looking forward to seeing updates!
                              -Jack

                              ONTARIO MAZDA CLUB! Join! https://www.facebook.com/groups/500055016671733/

                              91 626 LX - basically stock and pretty slow still
                              http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/sho...my-GD-626-LX-)

                              01 E53 3.0i - FOR SALE! pm if interested

                              91 USDM Protege LX - SOLD! turbo/manifold up for sale!
                              http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46606

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