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    Originally posted by XelderX View Post
    I had the Protege down around 2230lbs. I'm hoping to eventually get below 2100lbs on the 323, but need to see where it is right now first. I've played around with multiple fuel pumps transferring fuel to the main pump in the tank. That didn't work. My next experiments will be using an external pump fed by an internal pump. I tried just using an external pump, but ended up killing it when it started vapor locking at a really hot event over the summer. I'm hoping a new exhaust setup will help that a little. Our Supertrapp muffler dumps a lot of heat right at the gas tank.

    The Protege started out at 600f, 450r. The 323 is now at 700f, 550r. If you go back through the build take a look at our swaybar setup. That's where our car starts to get a little weird. The 3d Gen struts on it allow us to run dual front swaybars, but hook one to the struts and another to the control arm. That helps eliminate binding and it allows us to use the higher motion ratio of the strut to get more out of a smaller swaybar along with the add on bar mounted to the LCAs. Put's us right in the sweet spot up front for balance with a stock rear bar.

    I'm putting a really good setup guy in the car with me next season to see if we need to make any tweaks when we switch to double adjustables. There isn't any huge benefits to be had now as far as I can tell. The car does a lot of things really well. It will just be about picking up little bits of speed everywhere which add up big overall.
    I am curious to see where you guys get... It would really be curious to see what alignment specs you guys run.. So far I am one of the most wild out there set ups.. since running Rx7 front ball joints, mx3 control arms its really changed my SAI... I am at 17 deg, where as factory is 14 deg.. Also I run a really high amount of caster at 5.25... So far this is the most I have seen used on this chassis.. With my front springs around 550 - 600ish, rears at 400.. Mx3 GS front sway bar and 19mm rear bar I get a lot of compliments about how easy/nice my car is to drive.. I reacts really well to throttle inputs.. come off the throttle mid corner is starts to turn in, over steer is easy to control ect... I think the biggest difference between the 2 set ups is tire size and engine power.. I am kind of at the peek, I am not to sure where else to go with my car at this point.. other then the obvious bigger tires, more power..

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      Originally posted by crazycanadian View Post
      I am curious to see where you guys get... It would really be curious to see what alignment specs you guys run.. So far I am one of the most wild out there set ups.. since running Rx7 front ball joints, mx3 control arms its really changed my SAI... I am at 17 deg, where as factory is 14 deg.. Also I run a really high amount of caster at 5.25... So far this is the most I have seen used on this chassis.. With my front springs around 550 - 600ish, rears at 400.. Mx3 GS front sway bar and 19mm rear bar I get a lot of compliments about how easy/nice my car is to drive.. I reacts really well to throttle inputs.. come off the throttle mid corner is starts to turn in, over steer is easy to control ect... I think the biggest difference between the 2 set ups is tire size and engine power.. I am kind of at the peek, I am not to sure where else to go with my car at this point.. other then the obvious bigger tires, more power..
      The only things I can remember off the top of my head are the front camber (-2.7* on both sides) and the alignment (1/8-1/4" toe out on the front, zero toe rear). Caster is pretty much stock, but I've got some plans to try a little more over the winter.

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        Alrighty guys and girls, the car has been put away for the winter and I'm currently sorting out all the upgrades I'm going to try and do before next season.

        #1New Struts

        I've got some GC double adjustables coming in and the AWR singles on the car now will be moved to the ITA car. That is a super easy install and I'll have some help next season getting the adjustments dialed in.

        #2 New Header and Intake Manifold

        I can't find a reasonable 4-2-1 for sale anywhere so I'm biting the bullet and having one made. I'm hoping to get started on it some time after Christmas, which basically means I need to call Burns and spec out the pipe sizes. Does anyone know the lift/duration or any specs of the Protege intake cam? I know it's different than the Miata. I'm pretty sure Burns has all the other specs for a "Miata" motor and should be able to adjust for the different cam. I have several options with the intake manifold and will probably try a cut 2nd Gen manifold first. I don't want to eliminate VICS. I'm also considering modifying one of the aftermarket B18 manifolds to fit like the Miata guys do, but I'm really nervous about loosing some low end torque. ITBs are just too pricey/difficult to conjure up at the moment when I need to worl on a few other bigger things.

        #3 Twin Plate Clutch

        This probably won't happen until mid spring. We need more corner exit acceleration and the easiest way to get it will be to lighten the rotating assembly. This is the modification I'm looking forward to the most because it's easy and it could yield the biggest improvement.

        #4 Brakes

        Specifically lighter/better brakes. If you've looked through the thread you know my rotors are drilled out to save weight (about a pound per rotor) and we use stock calipers. My plan is to switch to a 2-piece rotor and Willwood lightweight calipers. I don't want the rotors to be any bigger than the smallest rotors that came stock on the 323 which is 9.25" for the front. All the aftermarket rotors are larger than that so I would need to turn them down on a lathe. That's not too big of a deal. I'm pretty sure the offset on the rotors is identical between the Miata and 323. I'm mostly concerned about mounting the calipers since I can't modify the spindles. I may have to get clever with the mounting depending on the difference in offset between the Miata rotors and 323 rotors.

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          tuned in to see what you work out for the braking system- these are always intriguing adventures to watch.

          what twin plate will you wind up going with?
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            Originally posted by FE3-323 View Post
            tuned in to see what you work out for the braking system- these are always intriguing adventures to watch.

            what twin plate will you wind up going with?
            Not entirely sure yet. A friend suggested one brand (not Tilton) but I can't remember the name. I'll narrow it down when I have the cash put aside for it. I know Mazdaspeed has the flywheels...or did. It's nice to be able to use Miata stuff.

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              I am really curious about the header design you come up with.... I am curious why the cam specs come into play... I did a fair bit of research a number of years ago when I was looking at building headers for an old car of mine... I didn't see much talk about cam specs..

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                Originally posted by crazycanadian View Post
                I am really curious about the header design you come up with.... I am curious why the cam specs come into play... I did a fair bit of research a number of years ago when I was looking at building headers for an old car of mine... I didn't see much talk about cam specs..
                Burns wants to know and they are required to use the Pipemax program which is a home version of the program Burns probably uses to determine the size of the primaries/secondaries. I'm guessing its to tune the pulses to help scavenging. I can ask them when I call.

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                  That will be interesting to know why... Most of my research was done on a 4-1 style headers.. So maybe there is something in the cam profile that comes into play with a 4-2-1 header...

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                    Here is the link to the form Burns wants you to fill out.

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                      Some of that makes more sense... A big part of my research showed you need to under stand what kind of volume of exhaust gas is flowing out the exhaust port.. That affects primary tube diameter, but more specifically length... I only looked at it quickly, but I didn't see cylinder firing order on the sheet... I would think that would be incorporated into a 4-2-1 design as well..

                      Being an engineer student, I am sure you would enjoy looking up how headers are designed..

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                        You could also contact the guy at SMSP. He makes well known headers for Honda's and is the one that made the one-off header that I have for my BP so he already has some BP experience.

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                          Xelderx... Saw your post up on Facebook .. Congrates on the FSP title .

                          Love the new splitter upfront , care to share a few deatiled pics of it ?

                          We ( CrazyCanadain and myself ) have been campaigning his 323 in SMF this year with great susccess and have plans this winter to develop it even more.

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                          Building up a front splitter and rear wing for it are on the books through the winter and would love to see what you designed for the front...

                          I am looking at doing something like this for the rear ( see pic below ) , but alittle more aggressive and adjustable depending on the cars set up and hence behavior... etc

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                          Originally posted by XelderX View Post

                          Here is a photo from Nationals this year....



                          There isn't really anything different about the 323 from the Protege. All the parts just swapped over. The rear spoiler is different, but we don't use it all the time depending on the balance of the car. I'm going to be redesigning the front splitter this winter and hopefully getting a custom header made. I've got some things to try with the intake manifold also. New double adjustable Konis should be here in a month or so. I have some plans to lighten the brakes further and possibly install a 5.5" clutch/flywheel if I can afford it. I've been messing round with the fuel pump setup to run less fuel, but not really making much progress there.

                          Let me know if you want any specific #s/specs. I haven't weighed the 323 yet. I'm very curious to see how much less it is than the Protege and where the bias is front to rear.

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                            Sorry I haven't updated in a while. I've got some pictures of the new splitter somewhere. Unfortunately it got destroyed at Nationals this year during the Ladies run group on Day 2 after my girlfriend center punched a group of three cones. That broke the mounts and she ran over the splitter. The air dam survived and I'm getting ready to make a new splitter.

                            We are super excited about winning the Championship, but I'm a little bummed it was my co-driver and not me. He definitely deserved it though. I didn't drive well. The transmission is out of the 323 at the moment getting some things checked out, but once it's back together I plan on doing another splitter.

                            An SMF splitter will be a little more effective than what we can design for FSP. The championship SMF cars are running pretty aggressive rear wings.

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                              My twin disc is beat up. Time for some new plates.



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