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    #46
    The usdm 4wd protege trans is full time 4wd... it's just an open diff whereas the gtx/gtr transmissions are vlsd center.

    1988 White GTX - #1 parts
    1988 Black GTX - #2 reliably broken touge monstar (294,000 miles no rebuilds) - dead
    1988 Blue GTX - #3 in progress (view here)
    1988 Blue GTX - #4 BPT swapped weekend warrior.
    1988 White GTX - #5 Rally car

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      #47
      Thanks TOOOONS dude.

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        #48
        Well I suppose its time for me to introduce myself.

        I just picked up a 90 4wd 5speed. Its kinda beat up and needs body work. But I already have a bpt/trans sitting in the garage for it, so thats pretty cool. I also have a 88 gtx, a 90 miata, and a 2000 miata that I'm planning on selling once the weather breaks in the midwest.


        So yeah, this is pretty much my first post on the cp forums. I guess you could call me a refugee from the old 323performance forums. Just saying hi to everybody here and its good to become a part of this community. Take it easy.

        Paul
        1988 323 GTX 5 speed
        MODS: It's my garage art

        1990 Miata 5 speed
        MODS: Awaiting on GM goodness...

        1990 Protege 4wd 5 speed
        MODS: BPT/AWD swap, JSPEED Coilovers, MS3PRO

        2000 Miata 5 speed
        Stock with Bilstein Suspension Package
        Chillin in the backyard with a rod knock

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          #49
          Originally posted by xtg323adzam View Post
          Well I suppose its time for me to introduce myself.

          I just picked up a 90 4wd 5speed. Its kinda beat up and needs body work. But I already have a bpt/trans sitting in the garage for it, so thats pretty cool. I also have a 88 gtx, a 90 miata, and a 2000 miata that I'm planning on selling once the weather breaks in the midwest.


          So yeah, this is pretty much my first post on the cp forums. I guess you could call me a refugee from the old 323performance forums. Just saying hi to everybody here and its good to become a part of this community. Take it easy.

          Paul
          Welcome to cp Pual. Sounds like you're going to have a beast on your hands. Good luck
          1993 Protege LX-Midnight's shadow SOLD
          1996 Honda CBR600-Wrecked. Damn Honda crippled me
          2002 mazda MPV-family truckster SOLD
          2010 VW routon

          Originally posted by jay
          .....they totally underestimated the number of gearheads such as myself that have families but refuse to grow the hell up and stop playing with cars, or that otherwise see the utility of having 4 doors. Obviously I ain't alone, as there are a helluva lotta sti and evo here. Bueler? Beuler? Mazda? Mazda?

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            #50
            haha... i totally never knew your name was paul... or id forgotten.

            1988 White GTX - #1 parts
            1988 Black GTX - #2 reliably broken touge monstar (294,000 miles no rebuilds) - dead
            1988 Blue GTX - #3 in progress (view here)
            1988 Blue GTX - #4 BPT swapped weekend warrior.
            1988 White GTX - #5 Rally car

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              #51
              well when talking about you to derrick, I just refer to you as 808.
              Last edited by xtg323adzam; 04-01-2008, 08:55 PM.
              1988 323 GTX 5 speed
              MODS: It's my garage art

              1990 Miata 5 speed
              MODS: Awaiting on GM goodness...

              1990 Protege 4wd 5 speed
              MODS: BPT/AWD swap, JSPEED Coilovers, MS3PRO

              2000 Miata 5 speed
              Stock with Bilstein Suspension Package
              Chillin in the backyard with a rod knock

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                #52
                matt-bob works. he'll know who that is.

                1988 White GTX - #1 parts
                1988 Black GTX - #2 reliably broken touge monstar (294,000 miles no rebuilds) - dead
                1988 Blue GTX - #3 in progress (view here)
                1988 Blue GTX - #4 BPT swapped weekend warrior.
                1988 White GTX - #5 Rally car

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by 808 View Post
                  The usdm 4wd protege trans is full time 4wd... it's just an open diff whereas the gtx/gtr transmissions are vlsd center.
                  Im pretty sure usdm trans is not full time 4wd unitl you flip the diff lock switch. And yes its a open diff in the front and in the rear stock. So really when you flip the switch your only puting power to one front wheel and one rear wheel cause of open diffs.
                  1990 Protege 4wd: BP05 forged internals, Mild ported head, GTR intake manifold, Gates racing timing belt, GTX transmission, Stage 3 clutch, 60trim T-3 turbo, Custom down pipe,3" Stainles exhaust, , Walbro fuel pump, RB-Performance fmic kit, HKS bov, Aurfa coilovers, F&R drilled slotted rotors, 16" BBS wrapped with Advan Novea tires, EDM glass headlights with HID's, Familia front and rear bumpers.


                  Boosted 1990 4WD
                  http://www.wihandyman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32462


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                    #54
                    It's full time 4wd with open diffs. Call it Any Wheel Drive.
                    1990 Protege 4WD
                    GT-X BP26 swap [AT->MT]|Cup holder cut to fit|Synthetic gear oil|Synthetic brake fluid|Corksport SS brake/clutch lines|Mazdaspeed HV oil pump|GT-X front STB|Corksport type I rear STB|Matching full-size spare wheel|Homebrew Brass shifter bushing|Speed Source brass shifter cable bushings|EDM headlights/corners|FMIC|EDM cabin vents

                    1 3 5
                    ├┼┤
                    2 4 R


                    Seeking: Canadian 4WD seatbelts.

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                      #55
                      thank you. yes it is full time 4wd. 3 open diffs. when you lock the diff it gives it perfect 50/50 power distribution front/rear. though with the open front and rear diffs it doesn't matter it's still gonna transfer power to the slipping wheels in the front and rear.

                      1988 White GTX - #1 parts
                      1988 Black GTX - #2 reliably broken touge monstar (294,000 miles no rebuilds) - dead
                      1988 Blue GTX - #3 in progress (view here)
                      1988 Blue GTX - #4 BPT swapped weekend warrior.
                      1988 White GTX - #5 Rally car

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                        #56
                        I got a shifter and linkage now so I'm good had to get it from CO

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                          #57
                          I've got one!!

                          Ok, well, I've ALMOST got one. Deposit has been put down on it, I'll be picking it up in the next few weeks sometime.

                          It's the same one that jjmundt bought...
                          1990 Protege AWD 5spd...steel blue with nasty beige interior.

                          Found in Denver, CO. July 31st. Purchased August 3rd. 158k miles, worn clutch, very dirty interior, a ding or two in every panel, very minor rust bubbles around windshield. Runs good but needs just about everything, but it was perfect for the $900 I spent.

                          BPT/GTR candidate and am hoping for an interior color change to charcoal/black/something dark.

                          Car now resides with me in the Des Moines, IA area.
                          It will be picked up and moved to the Baraboo, WI area. Dunno what I want to do to it right away. I've got a rallyX on September 21 that it might be kind of fun to play with in stock trim. How dangerous would it be for me to engage the diff lock at a rallyX? rear LSD would be interesting, too. does anything else fit, or is the group A GTR diff the only one to look for? If memory serves (and it often chooses not to) isn't the miata ratio the same 4.105? do miata/RX7 diffs fit in the protege 4WD housing?

                          Fortunately, I've got my JDM GTX front clip, still hanging around, with the transmission, shifter, and everything else, so it'll get a better transmission eventually.

                          I'm thinking maybe a tightly-wound N/A BP, or possibly a full-on BPT setup. Haven't made up my mind yet on that front.

                          I'll definitely be soaking in the knowledge vat when it comes time to play with this one..


                          --sarge
                          Last edited by SgtRauksauff; 08-14-2008, 02:19 PM.

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                            #58
                            Mmmm, I have (for short distances) ran upto 65mph with the diff lock on, in wet snow. It sure was fun listening to the whirring of tires and then a small bang and dry pavement was found. oops. Nothing broken either! Soo, a short dirt rally should be fine, but once on you can't turn it off should the whole "4wd steering lock hop" thing bother you. I personally liked it. Made me feel like a truck

                            diff lock on varying traction surfaces = bad. lol

                            90-93 miata diff the same, just different housing. That's your best bet for a cheap LSD. the 94+ and RX7 used a larger diff, which you could attempt to shoehorn in there, but I don't know what the ratios are, if they match up. I'd look for the group A if you're going all out.

                            I like the feel of a NA motor, but I think the BP is just too small to give me the tq I want. BPT all the way.
                            No car! I soldz it. Now I have a truck. I like it, but apparently it has a hard time keeping up with a slightly modified 4WD protege with half the hp. Neat.

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                              #59
                              I'm just scared of not driving smoothly, and ripping some uber-expensive parts into little metal bits with too much torque. I mean, if I can snap axles with the MSP LSD in my wagon at an autocross..

                              --sarge

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                                #60
                                you want a 90-93 miata lsd, and you have to swap the ring gear from the stock diff onto it. its a different ratio.

                                oh yeah, i have a 4wd protege too
                                Escort GTR -- 11.87 @ 117.6 mph -- 320 HP / 325 Ft. Lbs. @ 23 PSI
                                ... The first FWD BG with a Toyota E153 transmission conversion in the USA!
                                Looking for BP x Toyota E153 adapter plates? PM me or contact me on Facebook: Riel Performance Parts

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