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    the non-official guide to swaps

    info for swapping a bp into z5'd car.

    if you have a:

    95 mtx z5 : get a 95 mtx bp harness & engine
    95 atx z5 : get a 95 atx bp harness & engine
    vin# jm1ba141 = z5
    vin# jm1ba142 = bp

    96 mtx z5 : get a 96 mtx bp harness & engine
    96 atx z5 : get a 96 atx bp harness & engine
    vin# jm1bb141 = z5
    vin# jm1bb142 = bp

    97/98 mtx z5 : get a 97/98 mtx bp harness & engine
    97/98 atx z5 : get a 97/98 atx bp harness & engine
    vin# jm1bc141 = z5
    vin# jm1bc142 = bp

    dont ask why...just do it.

    also please when you're buying parts from a junkhard. verify the vin# and then re-verify the vin#. i've been screwed so many times on finding a harness. just a tip.
    Last edited by 95pro; 12-08-2007, 12:50 PM.
    Almost there

    jdm tails... check
    jdm bumper... check
    ms lip... check
    ms grill... check
    ms sideskirts... check
    ms rear skirts... check
    ms spoiler... check
    ms struts... check

    Still trying for a bp swap..:
    Fidanzda 8lb flywheel, ACT HD00, UR Crank Pulley, UR Adj. Cam-Gears, Exh-Intake CamShaft Swap, MS Engine Mounts, Custom CAI, PaceSetter Header, 2.25" in/out-let Magnaflow Cat, 2.25" Mandrel-Bent Exhaust.

    #2
    transmission info

    the 95 protege ES is the ONLY model to have the g-series transmission.
    it's the ONLY direct bolt-in G-seriestranny for 95-98 protege's.
    so yes, if you're swapping a bp into your 95-98, you CAN use the
    g-series.
    it is stronger and has shorter gearing than the f-series. and might be able to be modified with a lsd.
    the 95 g-series uses the same clutch & flywheel from the 94 & down bp's.

    dx/lx protege's 95-98 share the same f-series transmission.
    ES protege's 96-98 also have the exact same f-series transmission.
    so if you have an f-series transmission from a z5,
    yes you can use the same f-series for your bp swap.
    all 95-98 f-series use the same clutch & flywheel.

    nothing official...but:

    the f-series can handle 200whp - 225whp.

    the g-series can handle 250whp - 300whp.

    thats just based off of what i've read about all these past years.
    Last edited by 95pro; 12-08-2007, 10:16 PM.
    Almost there

    jdm tails... check
    jdm bumper... check
    ms lip... check
    ms grill... check
    ms sideskirts... check
    ms rear skirts... check
    ms spoiler... check
    ms struts... check

    Still trying for a bp swap..:
    Fidanzda 8lb flywheel, ACT HD00, UR Crank Pulley, UR Adj. Cam-Gears, Exh-Intake CamShaft Swap, MS Engine Mounts, Custom CAI, PaceSetter Header, 2.25" in/out-let Magnaflow Cat, 2.25" Mandrel-Bent Exhaust.

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      #3
      bp turbo??

      there's no easy way straight there. my best advice:

      get a bp designed for your model protege. read post #1.
      the reasons are:
      obd1 vs obd2, too many wiring headaches.
      the 94 & down bp's dont have the correct emissions system
      as the 95-98 bp. you'll have to source a seperate intake manifold, egr system, etc.

      just get a gtx turbo manifold & a vj20 turbo. direct bolt on.
      from there, you'll have to peice together a kit.

      you can't just get a bpt engine from a gtx and expect to swap it in.
      usually they come with a AWD tranny. not going to work. dont even think about it.
      expect more wiring headaches.
      read post #2 for the tranny info.
      Last edited by 95pro; 12-08-2007, 01:10 PM.
      Almost there

      jdm tails... check
      jdm bumper... check
      ms lip... check
      ms grill... check
      ms sideskirts... check
      ms rear skirts... check
      ms spoiler... check
      ms struts... check

      Still trying for a bp swap..:
      Fidanzda 8lb flywheel, ACT HD00, UR Crank Pulley, UR Adj. Cam-Gears, Exh-Intake CamShaft Swap, MS Engine Mounts, Custom CAI, PaceSetter Header, 2.25" in/out-let Magnaflow Cat, 2.25" Mandrel-Bent Exhaust.

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        #4
        z5 turbo?

        there are NO kits or NO direct bolt-on turbo parts.

        go custom.

        oh what about bolt-on N/A performance parts?

        there's an intake.
        that's about it.

        NO:
        header
        exhaust
        cams
        valve springs
        pistons
        rods
        stroker kits

        its 92 crank hp. if turbo'd depending on many variables.
        expect 120whp - 140whp(optimistic)
        so, you're betting off finding a bp.
        Last edited by 95pro; 12-08-2007, 12:58 PM.
        Almost there

        jdm tails... check
        jdm bumper... check
        ms lip... check
        ms grill... check
        ms sideskirts... check
        ms rear skirts... check
        ms spoiler... check
        ms struts... check

        Still trying for a bp swap..:
        Fidanzda 8lb flywheel, ACT HD00, UR Crank Pulley, UR Adj. Cam-Gears, Exh-Intake CamShaft Swap, MS Engine Mounts, Custom CAI, PaceSetter Header, 2.25" in/out-let Magnaflow Cat, 2.25" Mandrel-Bent Exhaust.

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          #5
          can i use a miata bp?

          uhhh, no.

          remember that, obviously, the miata is rwd and the protege is fwd. the reason i mention that go beyond the intake manifolds.
          first:
          you'll need to source the correct intake manifold and the rest of the rest of the stuff attached before it such as: throttle body, vics assembly, iac & bac valves(for emissions and to work with a usdm ecu).
          second:
          the miata and protege bp's dont share the same engine mounts. they are in different locations. some parts of the protege bp are blocked off or left unfilled(empty bolt holes). so you'll probably need the mounts and new hardware(bolts, nuts, etc). i'm not too sure if the z5 mounts & hardware are a direct swap. iirc, they are...but why take a chance? that just means more headaches if they dont interchange.
          third:
          cooling...the miata and protege's dont share the same cooling system. the water pumps are in different locations. some parts of the block are blocked of by 'freeze plugs', kind of like a metal/aluminum seal in various places of the block. so if you get a miata bp, then you'd have to source new cooling components like the water pump inlet, block off the miata outlet/inlets w/ freeze plugs and etc.
          fourth:
          injectors...the protege injectors vary from year to year. the 95's and 96's injectors are different from the 97-98 bps injectors. and the miata injectors are interchangable w/ the 95 injectors, iirc.

          thats all i can think off right off the top of my head.
          so...

          just buy a protege bp. read post #1.

          get a 99 miata head and use its components(lifters, cams, etc), if you want a better valve-train that can handle bigger camshafts.

          now if you decide to go with a jdm bp. the intake manifolds and components are not compatible with usdm intake manifolds. only the t/b & iac valve are, but only with the 95 protege's. and also the ecm are not compatable with usdm proteges as well. they have no provisions for the iac/emissions system.
          Last edited by 95pro; 12-09-2007, 12:40 AM.
          Almost there

          jdm tails... check
          jdm bumper... check
          ms lip... check
          ms grill... check
          ms sideskirts... check
          ms rear skirts... check
          ms spoiler... check
          ms struts... check

          Still trying for a bp swap..:
          Fidanzda 8lb flywheel, ACT HD00, UR Crank Pulley, UR Adj. Cam-Gears, Exh-Intake CamShaft Swap, MS Engine Mounts, Custom CAI, PaceSetter Header, 2.25" in/out-let Magnaflow Cat, 2.25" Mandrel-Bent Exhaust.

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            #6
            i want a jdm bp aka bp-ze

            pic#1: pic of 95-98 bp. those 'ports' are for emissions reasons. egr, etc. designed to work with you usdm ecu and wiring.

            pic#2: of a jdm bp aka bp-ze. notice something missing? that's right you have to source a usdm intake manifold/vics assembly from your correspinding year bp. read post #1.
            Attached Files
            Last edited by 95pro; 12-09-2007, 09:46 PM.
            Almost there

            jdm tails... check
            jdm bumper... check
            ms lip... check
            ms grill... check
            ms sideskirts... check
            ms rear skirts... check
            ms spoiler... check
            ms struts... check

            Still trying for a bp swap..:
            Fidanzda 8lb flywheel, ACT HD00, UR Crank Pulley, UR Adj. Cam-Gears, Exh-Intake CamShaft Swap, MS Engine Mounts, Custom CAI, PaceSetter Header, 2.25" in/out-let Magnaflow Cat, 2.25" Mandrel-Bent Exhaust.

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              #7
              please. no off topic sheet in this thread.
              Almost there

              jdm tails... check
              jdm bumper... check
              ms lip... check
              ms grill... check
              ms sideskirts... check
              ms rear skirts... check
              ms spoiler... check
              ms struts... check

              Still trying for a bp swap..:
              Fidanzda 8lb flywheel, ACT HD00, UR Crank Pulley, UR Adj. Cam-Gears, Exh-Intake CamShaft Swap, MS Engine Mounts, Custom CAI, PaceSetter Header, 2.25" in/out-let Magnaflow Cat, 2.25" Mandrel-Bent Exhaust.

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                #8
                all 95-98 f-series use the same clutch & flywheel
                Do you mean all 96-98? Since the 95's had the G box and 96-98 had the F box

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by pigeon View Post
                  Do you mean all 96-98? Since the 95's had the G box and 96-98 had the F box
                  well the g-series was already discussed in the previous paragraph. so, all 95-98 cars with an f-series can use the same clutch & flywheel.
                  Almost there

                  jdm tails... check
                  jdm bumper... check
                  ms lip... check
                  ms grill... check
                  ms sideskirts... check
                  ms rear skirts... check
                  ms spoiler... check
                  ms struts... check

                  Still trying for a bp swap..:
                  Fidanzda 8lb flywheel, ACT HD00, UR Crank Pulley, UR Adj. Cam-Gears, Exh-Intake CamShaft Swap, MS Engine Mounts, Custom CAI, PaceSetter Header, 2.25" in/out-let Magnaflow Cat, 2.25" Mandrel-Bent Exhaust.

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                    #10
                    If you need any help editing the thread let me know. I'll sticky this when you give the word Thanks for sharing
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                      #11
                      Info:
                      As far as finding a harness for the swap, you will need the engine and dash harness. the easyist way to get it taken care of is to buy a new one from the dealership. Do not expect to find a complete harness for your exact year motor, ecu, ext.. martin (Intruder) was lucky enough to find one. ecu is relatively cheap (100-150 approx)

                      the motor is easy to find, as you can use the 94-97 kia sephia GS , they have the B-series motor. the down pipe is different, you can use the down pipe from the 1st gen BP and 2nd gen BP. the passenger side motor mount is the same, but the bracket is different!

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                        #12
                        you dont need a new dash harness.
                        Beater=/= Sleeper

                        Originally posted by kozzman555
                        kitty, you are a hilarious woman
                        Originally posted by HopelessCow
                        there is one thing i dunno what is that call,a thing look like a gun, u press the button and stick to the metal and it makes firework, do i need that thing?and what s the philip head screw drivers?
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                          #13
                          Couple clarification questions:

                          I have a 98 mtx z5, so according to you, i need a 97/98 mtx bp, etc. Do i need the mtx bp? or can i swap from an atx? Im planning on just using my f-series mtx tranny.

                          How much would you look to spend at the dealership buying the engine harness?

                          Do all the accessories, like AC, alternators, etc swap from the z5 to bp? Or would all those need to be sourced from the bp engine?
                          Last edited by Squeekster1; 02-02-2008, 11:08 AM.
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                            #14
                            Any 97/98 Bp will do.
                            You can use your entire mtx set up.
                            $700
                            A/c Same. Alt I belive is the same.

                            Need BP 2nd O2 sensor.

                            also search
                            Beater=/= Sleeper

                            Originally posted by kozzman555
                            kitty, you are a hilarious woman
                            Originally posted by HopelessCow
                            there is one thing i dunno what is that call,a thing look like a gun, u press the button and stick to the metal and it makes firework, do i need that thing?and what s the philip head screw drivers?
                            Using Linux for anything serious besides server or software dev is like using a tin can and a string for telecommunications.

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                              #15
                              There are 3 diffrent part numbers for control arms too.
                              That doesnt mean you need the ES control arms.
                              Beater=/= Sleeper

                              Originally posted by kozzman555
                              kitty, you are a hilarious woman
                              Originally posted by HopelessCow
                              there is one thing i dunno what is that call,a thing look like a gun, u press the button and stick to the metal and it makes firework, do i need that thing?and what s the philip head screw drivers?
                              Using Linux for anything serious besides server or software dev is like using a tin can and a string for telecommunications.

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