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    #16
    what would be the recomended torque for the bolts on the LSD?
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      #17
      75 ft lbs with loctite blue
      Escort GTR -- 11.87 @ 117.6 mph -- 320 HP / 325 Ft. Lbs. @ 23 PSI
      ... The first FWD BG with a Toyota E153 transmission conversion in the USA!
      Looking for BP x Toyota E153 adapter plates? PM me or contact me on Facebook: Riel Performance Parts

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        #18
        ring gear removal

        So last Friday I drove up to my old shop and slaped the ring gear on a mill and proceded to remove the rivets. Right out of the gate the first one started spinning. I tried another and with about 0.100 to go it spun! So I popped the end mill out and centerpunched the rivets, put a drill bit in and went at it, the first one spin, so I grab a pair of Vise Grips and held the OD while I drilled thru. This seemed to work the best, compleated the bolt pattern and started knocking out the rivets. This went great with the exception of 3 rivets that did not want to move. I put the gear back on the Mill table and drilled down a bit further, at this point the gear was free from the diff plate but something was holding it up. Lo & behold a sub plate (the other part where the lsd broke) that was screwed to the diff body. I had to pry that loose because it was hung up buy the rivets and the ID of the ring gear. Once the sub plate was off I still had to take a 1/2 inch dowel pin and push the remaining 3 rivets out on an arbor press with a cheater bar. Long Story short it worked. However, it took the better part of 45 mins to get the job done.
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        Last edited by xbelfast; 07-13-2009, 07:11 AM. Reason: photo size
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        '03 Mazdaspeed #23
        '93 BMW 318 i something (euro)
        other fast cars in the past
        '67 camaro
        '68 camaro rs
        '67 mini cooper s
        '91 escort gt

        Automatics are for people who can't drive!

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          #19
          Spun bearings in trans case

          Sat. morning I drive up to my nephews repair shop to use their degreaser; so I can reassemble my trans in a somewhat clean state. As I am removing the diff races I notice that the shaft races on both sides of the case are also spun, so I pop them out and also remove the output shaft seal (why not). It goes into the cooker with one race firmly in place. This is one of those environmentally safe parts cleaners, about an hour later we go over an check on the progress. The heat of the wash expanded the case enough that the only race that had not spun fell out.

          My thoughts on this are that Locktite makes a product specifically for this type application. My Nephew is checking with their trans shop, and should get back to me today. Anyone else have any thoughts on this situation??
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          '03 Mazdaspeed #23
          '93 BMW 318 i something (euro)
          other fast cars in the past
          '67 camaro
          '68 camaro rs
          '67 mini cooper s
          '91 escort gt

          Automatics are for people who can't drive!

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            #20
            loctite makes a product for securing bearing races?
            Escort GTR -- 11.87 @ 117.6 mph -- 320 HP / 325 Ft. Lbs. @ 23 PSI
            ... The first FWD BG with a Toyota E153 transmission conversion in the USA!
            Looking for BP x Toyota E153 adapter plates? PM me or contact me on Facebook: Riel Performance Parts

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              #21
              Originally posted by therieldeal View Post
              loctite makes a product for securing bearing races?
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              '03 Mazdaspeed #23
              '93 BMW 318 i something (euro)
              other fast cars in the past
              '67 camaro
              '68 camaro rs
              '67 mini cooper s
              '91 escort gt

              Automatics are for people who can't drive!

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                #22
                it always amazes me how many different products that company has, lol

                it looks like the 232 might work well? you wouldnt want something that fits too tight, or you might end up cracking the case trying to remove it later on.
                Escort GTR -- 11.87 @ 117.6 mph -- 320 HP / 325 Ft. Lbs. @ 23 PSI
                ... The first FWD BG with a Toyota E153 transmission conversion in the USA!
                Looking for BP x Toyota E153 adapter plates? PM me or contact me on Facebook: Riel Performance Parts

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by therieldeal View Post
                  it always amazes me how many different products that company has, lol

                  it looks like the 232 might work well? you wouldnt want something that fits too tight, or you might end up cracking the case trying to remove it later on.
                  ummm, naaa, if you look at it the max gap fill is .015, this makes me think it is a heavy fluid. I want something that will not interfere with the press fit yet will augment the surface contact and keep the sob from rotating.

                  I did an ask the pro thing we will see what they recommend.

                  short of :
                  1. buying another case
                  2. line boring the seats out and pressing in a sleeve and then re-boring the seats to depth and size.

                  This is a best case fix.....i hope.

                  It seems to me this is a case where Geo Tolerances just didn't get it done, or this case should have been scrap! A bearing seat press fit should NEVER spin, if it is machined correctly!
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                  '03 Mazdaspeed #23
                  '93 BMW 318 i something (euro)
                  other fast cars in the past
                  '67 camaro
                  '68 camaro rs
                  '67 mini cooper s
                  '91 escort gt

                  Automatics are for people who can't drive!

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                    #24
                    the races arent really press fit, thats the problem... on EVERY one i've opened they have at most been just a little tighter than "push in" fit. it has to have been intentional, as i've opened a LOT of these things.

                    the loctite is a great idea though
                    Escort GTR -- 11.87 @ 117.6 mph -- 320 HP / 325 Ft. Lbs. @ 23 PSI
                    ... The first FWD BG with a Toyota E153 transmission conversion in the USA!
                    Looking for BP x Toyota E153 adapter plates? PM me or contact me on Facebook: Riel Performance Parts

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by therieldeal View Post
                      the races arent really press fit, thats the problem... on EVERY one i've opened they have at most been just a little tighter than "push in" fit. it has to have been intentional, as i've opened a LOT of these things.

                      Seriously?

                      WOW, something had to be off, ahhh well it is what it is.

                      the loctite is a great idea though
                      It made my day that is for sure!
                      Ohhhh Yeaaahhhh

                      '03 Mazdaspeed #23
                      '93 BMW 318 i something (euro)
                      other fast cars in the past
                      '67 camaro
                      '68 camaro rs
                      '67 mini cooper s
                      '91 escort gt

                      Automatics are for people who can't drive!

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                        #26
                        Hmm, I guess I never mentioned it, but I used Loctite 638 'Retaining Compound' on the secondary inner race. My hope was that the bond between the race and case was strong enough to help prevent the 'floor' of the race to collapse like my previous transmission. So, basically instead of the race just being supported by the end, the Loctite should give some support by holding the race by the surrounding wall. Hopefully what I just wrote makes sense, lol.

                        --Ferdi
                        If you can't differentiate between brake and break, you should go back to school
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by ftjandra View Post
                          Hopefully what I just wrote makes sense, lol.

                          --Ferdi
                          Absolutely....I was thinking 648 or 603...I'll let ya'll know when I get my reply from Locktite is 3-4 business days!
                          Last edited by xbelfast; 07-14-2009, 09:11 AM. Reason: spelling
                          Ohhhh Yeaaahhhh

                          '03 Mazdaspeed #23
                          '93 BMW 318 i something (euro)
                          other fast cars in the past
                          '67 camaro
                          '68 camaro rs
                          '67 mini cooper s
                          '91 escort gt

                          Automatics are for people who can't drive!

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                            #28
                            Reply from Locktite

                            Actually, for a press fit, you're best off with the low-viscosity products 609 or 603. To make sure you get good coverage, put a bead around the leading edge of both pieces. That way, when you press them together, the retaining compound will scrape across itself.
                            Ohhhh Yeaaahhhh

                            '03 Mazdaspeed #23
                            '93 BMW 318 i something (euro)
                            other fast cars in the past
                            '67 camaro
                            '68 camaro rs
                            '67 mini cooper s
                            '91 escort gt

                            Automatics are for people who can't drive!

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                              #29
                              Yeah, except I wouldn't really call the fit a 'press' fit and more of a 'slip' fit. I mean, you are supposed to be able to lift out the secondary inner race using the plastic funnel piece that's behind it...

                              --Ferdi
                              If you can't differentiate between brake and break, you should go back to school
                              -----
                              Miscellaneous Pics of Turbo Protege Build
                              Big Front Brake Install using Wilwood Calipers
                              Factory Service Manuals and Familia Brochures - PDF

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by ftjandra View Post
                                Yeah, except I wouldn't really call the fit a 'press' fit and more of a 'slip' fit. I mean, you are supposed to be able to lift out the secondary inner race using the plastic funnel piece that's behind it...

                                --Ferdi
                                ok, so for the sake of this discussion....

                                A round peg of 1.0000" will not go into a round hole that is also 1.0000"...this would be a press fit. A round peg of 1.0001 would make this an interference fit, and it just gets more complex from there on with material compatibility and so forth.

                                A round peg of 0.9999 will slip into a hole that is 1.0000" this would be a slip fit. (air in a blind hole makes this a bit more complex)

                                It seems to me (imho) that a race for a thrust bearing on a gear shaft would want to remain fixed, otherwise why have a bearing at all? Given that the case is aluminum it is all the more perplexing!

                                I can copy you a 5 page detailed spec. from the machinery's handbook if you wish, like wise with the classification of fits (ISO).

                                Then again as read else where on this site Mazda's quality of fit & finish...is what it is!
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                                '03 Mazdaspeed #23
                                '93 BMW 318 i something (euro)
                                other fast cars in the past
                                '67 camaro
                                '68 camaro rs
                                '67 mini cooper s
                                '91 escort gt

                                Automatics are for people who can't drive!

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