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    Attn: SCCA Members---New FSP 323/Protege/MX3 listing

    The new FastTrack is out and my proposal for listing the 90-94 323, Protege, and MX-3 on the same line in the Appendix is in there requesting member feedback. Bottom of page 19.




    Please write in a letter of support for this change if you can. I originally wrote my letter requesting the change because I believe the 90-94 BG 323 should be listed with the BG Protege and not with the BF 323. Here is a copy of the letter I wrote.

    Members of the SPAC,

    This letter is a request to reword the F Street Preppared classifications for
    the Mazda 323(non-turbo) and Protege(1989-98) in Appendix A of the Solo
    rulebook.

    We first need to clarify the different chassis being represented here. The Mazda
    323 (non-turbo) was made between 1986 and 1994 covering 2 different chassis
    configurations. The BF chassis ran from 1986-1989 and the BG chassis from
    1990-1994. The Protege (1989?-1998) includes the BG chassis (1990-1994) and the
    BH chassis (1995-1998).

    The BF chassis was available in a 2 door hatchback, 4 door sedan, and 4 door
    wagon. For the purposes of FSP the 1.6L SOHC non-turbo motor was available in
    all 3 options. The 1990-1994 323 was only available as a 2 door hatchback and
    was built on the BG chassis. The BF and BG chassis share very little hardware
    that would qualify them being listed together. This separation would mirror
    similiar chassis spearations in FSP for other manufactures.

    The BG chassis was used as the platform for 3 models from Mazda. The 323 was the
    2 door hatchback, the Protege was the 4 door sedan, and the MX-3 was a 2 door
    coupe. It was used for these cars between models years 1990-1994. I see no
    reason to keep the 1990-1994 323 and Protege listed seperately in Appendix A.
    They are built from the same chassis and share interchangeable suspensions,
    brakes, drivetrains, electronics, front clips.

    This is the wording I would like to see in in the F Street Prepared section of
    Appendix A with regards to these models.

    Mazda 323 non-turbo (1986-1989)
    Mazda 323, Protege, MX-3 4 cyl. (1990-1994)
    Mazda Protege (1995-1998)

    All other listings for Mazdas in F Street Prepared can remain as they are.

    The implications of this change should cause no problems and help group the cars
    of similair chassis together as they should be. Please let me know if there are
    any concerns or additional questions you may have that I can help with.
    If you want to write in with support for this proposal (or to not support it) please send a brief letter to http://www.sebscca.com/

    #2
    I agree with the proposed change.
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      #3
      I too support this classification change, as I am just finishing a 93 323 for racing .

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        #4
        This is to have them listed in the same line in the Appendix for UDBD rules, right?

        Worth mentioning two things, though...

        1) The MX3 wasn't listed at all
        2) It's not technically a BG chassis.

        I think if you get competitors that know what UDBD would do for you in the case of the MX3, you'll get a lot of push back.

        That said, i'm for it.

        I need to write them a letter about something that came out in last months FastTrack anyways, so i'll put in a word for you!

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          #5
          Interesting. Will write.
          Off topic, never realized the V6 MX-3 is an HS car....
          2003 Protege5
          1990 Protege LX (sold)
          1990 Protege DX (sold)
          1992 626 (sold)

          Common abbreviations and jargon on Club Protege: http://www.wihandyman.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34116

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            #6
            Originally posted by concealer404 View Post
            This is to have them listed in the same line in the Appendix for UDBD rules, right?

            Worth mentioning two things, though...

            1) The MX3 wasn't listed at all
            2) It's not technically a BG chassis.

            I think if you get competitors that know what UDBD would do for you in the case of the MX3, you'll get a lot of push back.

            That said, i'm for it.

            I need to write them a letter about something that came out in last months FastTrack anyways, so i'll put in a word for you!
            Yes, this is for UDBD purposes. I don't think the MX-3 would gain anything from this that would upset the applecart. It's heavier than the Protege. And engine/drivetrain/suspension swaps between it and the BG Protege/323 can be done without modifying parts.

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              #7
              I meant the other way around.

              MX3 stuff increases track and helps offset negative geometry changes on a lowered BG car. (Which is a good thing, obviously, i'm doing it because it's legal in SM. But the MX3 isn't a BG, per se.)




              The engine stuff would only help in the SM class, right? Or are you going to make the clarification that the GS needs to be on it's own line? If not... that opens up another can of worms.


              However, if we're going to do that, can we get the Escort and Tracer on the same line as well? That'd be pretty awesome. :D
              Last edited by concealer404; 05-24-2011, 01:52 PM.

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                #8
                Originally posted by concealer404 View Post
                I meant the other way around.

                MX3 stuff increases track and helps offset negative geometry changes on a lowered BG car. (Which is a good thing, obviously, i'm doing it because it's legal in SM. But the MX3 isn't a BG, per se.)




                The engine stuff would only help in the SM class, right? Or are you going to make the clarification that the GS needs to be on it's own line? If not... that opens up another can of worms.


                However, if we're going to do that, can we get the Escort and Tracer on the same line as well? That'd be pretty awesome. :D

                I wouldn't want to increase the track width of the Protege or 323 for autocross. The BG chassis is really good at cramming a lot of tire under the fenders and ideally you don't want to increase the overall width of the car unless you absolutely have to.

                The proposal separates the 4cyl MX-3 from the 6cyl. The V6 would still remain in DSP ( I think that's right...maybe CSP) and only the 4cyl model would be allowed to UD/BD with the 323/Protege.
                Last edited by XelderX; 05-24-2011, 02:02 PM.

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                  #9
                  This all makes sense, then!

                  Although, i must admit i was having naughty thoughts of an FSP K8-powered Tracer LTS.

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                    #10
                    I am all for this move..

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                      #11
                      If you're an SCCA member wite a letter and let them know you support the proposal. Rumor is no one has sent anything in yet.

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