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      #17
      I do not, but I know they are available online because a lot of guys use them in resto mod stuff.

      I found it very easy to install and there are no rear wearable items other than end links. everything is basically pivot bolts. Just anti-seize them well and you are good to go. No trailing arms to bend/misalign, no ball joints to wear out...etc. That and they make a lot of adjustable aftermarket stuff for them control arm wise and sway bar wise. I also found that you can use EGT rear brakes on the upright hubs, or you can use the newer sport miata brake for even more of a brake upgrade with OEM parts.

      The only thing I didn't like was that I had to cut out a portion of the unibody to clear the upper control arms, so I made a removable sub frame to reinforce the car. My build thread is located here for reference:



      I was going to make a thread here but I'm going to wait till I am done just in case something weird/unfortunate happens and it doesn't get finished. My projects turn out like that more often than not (i.e. body rot, floods, tree, metric medians...etc.)
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      1990 Protege 4WD 5 Speed

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        #18
        dont use the miata rear end amd suspension... use the fd or fc rx7 rear end. the miata width will be really narrow for the p5. you need the width of the rx7

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          #19
          subbin for very interesting build

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            #20
            I don't know how the 7 mounts if you can get a good shot of it maybe that will work better, I just know the miata stuff is straight, square, and flat so its easy to mount. There's always wheel spacers.
            2011 BMW 128i 6 Speed Manual -- dd
            1990 Protege 4WD 5 Speed

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              #21
              im pretty sure the set up is almost identical, just larger

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                #22


                looks to be a bit more complex
                2011 BMW 128i 6 Speed Manual -- dd
                1990 Protege 4WD 5 Speed

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                  #23
                  still gotta drag thru the importers and look and some of the more exotic parts too. I need to bug him again about bumpers :x
                  "Discontent is the first necessity of progress."
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                  172.60HP & 156.93 TQ with only headers and short ram intake. back under the knife for a BPT swap.
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by jinx View Post
                    Oh yeah? I beg to differ. On one tune and the old turbo setup, I already hit 260-270ish whp mark and that was only at 15psi.. I'll have no trouble making my goal of 400-450 with the new turbo/manifold plus bottom end and a lil head work. There's a few Miata guys making well over that on the 6 speeds successfully. It's happening come hell or high water!
                    The 5spd can handle that if you don't drive like a moron. A 1.6 diff won't, but we knew that.

                    The problem with the 6spds is that the ratios are DUMB. If you're looking for 400whp, you'll have a problem putting power down with the 6spd unless you happen to pay out the ass/get lucky and find a 3.63 rear end.

                    My MSM also makes 260-270whp, has a beefed up 6spd with a beefed up 4.10 rear end. I wouldn't put much more power through it due to gearing. It's already pretty ferociously quick. Another 150whp would just spin and be terrible to drive.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by concealer404 View Post
                      The 5spd can handle that if you don't drive like a moron. A 1.6 diff won't, but we knew that.
                      the wagon weighs a ton more, so the ability of the 5 speed to hold power is reduced ontop of its already known weaknesses

                      Originally posted by concealer404 View Post
                      The problem with the 6spds is that the ratios are DUMB. If you're looking for 400whp, you'll have a problem putting power down with the 6spd unless you happen to pay out the ass/get lucky and find a 3.63 rear end.
                      this is only an issue if you stick with the miata rear end. which may or may not happen.


                      Originally posted by concealer404 View Post
                      My MSM also makes 260-270whp, has a beefed up 6spd with a beefed up 4.10 rear end. I wouldn't put much more power through it due to gearing. It's already pretty ferociously quick. Another 150whp would just spin and be terrible to drive.
                      again, thats a miata, not a fatty wagon..I know where your coming from, but even if an entire miata drive train gets graphed in, its still a heavy ass wagon.

                      a 2550lbs MS miata making 270 wheel has a hp/lbs of 9.8lbs per HP. the wagon (3700lbs roughly) at that same power level is 14.2lbs per HP.

                      with that said another 150hp would bring it down to 9.2lbs per HP which is alot closer to the escort and the miata :D
                      Last edited by MD323; 03-29-2012, 11:29 AM.
                      "Discontent is the first necessity of progress."
                      -Thomas A. Edison

                      "There is a fine line between ballin' on a budget, and dreamin' on an empty wallet."


                      *Junked* 92 mx3, BP swap- milage whore, beaten up and down the east coast
                      *Junked* KLZE powered 323 on Megasquirt 1
                      172.60HP & 156.93 TQ with only headers and short ram intake. back under the knife for a BPT swap.
                      New Daily stock 1.6L 1999 Mazda Protege LX

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by MD323 View Post
                        the wagon weighs a ton more, so the ability of the 5 speed to hold power is reduced ontop of its already known weaknesses


                        this is only an issue if you stick with the miata rear end. which may or may not happen.



                        again, thats a miata, not a fatty wagon..I know where your coming from, but even if an entire miata drive train gets graphed in, its still a heavy ass wagon.

                        a 2550lbs MS miata making 270 wheel has a hp/lbs of 9.8lbs per HP. the wagon (3700lbs roughly) at that same power level is 14.2lbs per HP.

                        with that said another 150hp would bring it down to 9.2lbs per HP.
                        We are talking about a Protege5 wagon, right? It's like... 150-200lbs more than my MSM. Not really a big deal. It's certainly not a 3700lb car. Maybe GVWR?

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by MD323 View Post
                          the wagon weighs a ton more, so the ability of the 5 speed to hold power is reduced ontop of its already known weaknesses


                          this is only an issue if you stick with the miata rear end. which may or may not happen.



                          again, thats a miata, not a fatty wagon..I know where your coming from, but even if an entire miata drive train gets graphed in, its still a heavy ass wagon.

                          a 2550lbs MS miata making 270 wheel has a hp/lbs of 9.8lbs per HP. the wagon (3700lbs roughly) at that same power level is 14.2lbs per HP.

                          with that said another 150hp would bring it down to 9.2lbs per HP which is alot closer to the escort and the miata :D
                          Originally posted by concealer404 View Post
                          We are talking about a Protege5 wagon, right? It's like... 150-200lbs more than my MSM. Not really a big deal. It's certainly not a 3700lb car. Maybe GVWR?

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                          According to the factory specs, a 2002 P5 with M/T has a curb weight of 2,716 lbs. (1,232 kg). The GVWR is 3,611 lbs. (1638 kg).

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by concealer404 View Post
                            We are talking about a Protege5 wagon, right? It's like... 150-200lbs more than my MSM. Not really a big deal. It's certainly not a 3700lb car. Maybe GVWR?
                            Curb is around (2700) < empty. Gross weight is around (3700) < that's about an average family load and a full tank with it.


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                              #29
                              hadnt seen the weight myself, just assumed my bad.

                              in reality seeing as this is a daily for a family an average between the two is close to what it will actually see in use
                              Last edited by MD323; 03-29-2012, 12:48 PM.
                              "Discontent is the first necessity of progress."
                              -Thomas A. Edison

                              "There is a fine line between ballin' on a budget, and dreamin' on an empty wallet."


                              *Junked* 92 mx3, BP swap- milage whore, beaten up and down the east coast
                              *Junked* KLZE powered 323 on Megasquirt 1
                              172.60HP & 156.93 TQ with only headers and short ram intake. back under the knife for a BPT swap.
                              New Daily stock 1.6L 1999 Mazda Protege LX

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by MD323 View Post
                                hadnt seen the weight myself, just assumed my bad.

                                in reality seeing as this is a daily for a family an average between the two is close to what it will actually see in use
                                Sooo... same logic applied to MSM in my case, and you're still around 150-200lbs difference.

                                I think OP is on the right track anyways, though... build strong ONCE. :D

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