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    Brake upgrades part 1: developing an OEM size 2 piece brake rotor

    This thread will give details and serve as a discussion spot for the 2 piece rotor upgrade I have been working on. The other thread I had was starting to get confusing since I talked about so many different things.

    Why a 2 piece rotor and what are the benefits?
    #1 reason and the most important is weight savings. This rotor has the potential to save a minimum of 3 lbs per side compared to standard BG 10" rotor. This would be like putting lighter weight wheels on the car and since its unsprung weight like the wheels are, it has more benefit than removing sprung weight from the car.
    #2 reason is better heat dissipation and less chance of warping rotors if you overheat the brakes since both the ring and hat can expand independently of each other without stress.
    92 Mazda MX3 GS> For sale, $1750 OBO
    94 Escort wagon--BP swap coming, VF10 Turbo, COP, EVO ECU, 03 ZX2 front end conversion
    "Hold yourself accountable before you are held accountable"
    EV14 330cc@3Bar injector kits available.
    EV14 GT500 injector kits available for the BP. 610cc@3Bar.
    EV14 925cc@3Bar injector kits available
    BP Forged H beam rods available now
    KL Forged H beam rods available now
    K8/KF Forged H beam rods awaiting test fit
    FS Forged H beam rods
    awaiting test fit
    F2 Forged H beam rods awaiting test fit
    FE3 Forged H beam rods coming soon
    Mitsubishi 3.8 MIVEC rods coming soon
    Aluminum CAS/Distributor caps
    BP oil jet eliminators
    EV14 fuel rail spacers
    More stuff coming soon.......

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    Last edited by KAinjection; 03-15-2015, 06:42 PM.
    92 Mazda MX3 GS> For sale, $1750 OBO
    94 Escort wagon--BP swap coming, VF10 Turbo, COP, EVO ECU, 03 ZX2 front end conversion
    "Hold yourself accountable before you are held accountable"
    EV14 330cc@3Bar injector kits available.
    EV14 GT500 injector kits available for the BP. 610cc@3Bar.
    EV14 925cc@3Bar injector kits available
    BP Forged H beam rods available now
    KL Forged H beam rods available now
    K8/KF Forged H beam rods awaiting test fit
    FS Forged H beam rods
    awaiting test fit
    F2 Forged H beam rods awaiting test fit
    FE3 Forged H beam rods coming soon
    Mitsubishi 3.8 MIVEC rods coming soon
    Aluminum CAS/Distributor caps
    BP oil jet eliminators
    EV14 fuel rail spacers
    More stuff coming soon.......

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      #3
      Reserved2
      92 Mazda MX3 GS> For sale, $1750 OBO
      94 Escort wagon--BP swap coming, VF10 Turbo, COP, EVO ECU, 03 ZX2 front end conversion
      "Hold yourself accountable before you are held accountable"
      EV14 330cc@3Bar injector kits available.
      EV14 GT500 injector kits available for the BP. 610cc@3Bar.
      EV14 925cc@3Bar injector kits available
      BP Forged H beam rods available now
      KL Forged H beam rods available now
      K8/KF Forged H beam rods awaiting test fit
      FS Forged H beam rods
      awaiting test fit
      F2 Forged H beam rods awaiting test fit
      FE3 Forged H beam rods coming soon
      Mitsubishi 3.8 MIVEC rods coming soon
      Aluminum CAS/Distributor caps
      BP oil jet eliminators
      EV14 fuel rail spacers
      More stuff coming soon.......

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        #4
        I sent you a message on Facebook. Lock me in for the first set out of production or a test set...give me something as soon as you can. I've been planniong on doing this to the autocross car for over 2 years now. I need to get some testing on it and make sure it's solid before Nationals in September.

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          #5
          Also....

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            #6
            I saw your message just now. I currently have a quote from a manufacturer in China to build them, but the quantity would have to be at least 50 pieces, at $50 each. Another company will do a lower number but the price will obviously go up. This really is the only thing holding me back right now is the lack of interest. This is far cheaper than anything Wilwood has.
            92 Mazda MX3 GS> For sale, $1750 OBO
            94 Escort wagon--BP swap coming, VF10 Turbo, COP, EVO ECU, 03 ZX2 front end conversion
            "Hold yourself accountable before you are held accountable"
            EV14 330cc@3Bar injector kits available.
            EV14 GT500 injector kits available for the BP. 610cc@3Bar.
            EV14 925cc@3Bar injector kits available
            BP Forged H beam rods available now
            KL Forged H beam rods available now
            K8/KF Forged H beam rods awaiting test fit
            FS Forged H beam rods
            awaiting test fit
            F2 Forged H beam rods awaiting test fit
            FE3 Forged H beam rods coming soon
            Mitsubishi 3.8 MIVEC rods coming soon
            Aluminum CAS/Distributor caps
            BP oil jet eliminators
            EV14 fuel rail spacers
            More stuff coming soon.......

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              #7
              Do you have someone local doing the prototypes? If it doesn't work out I would be willing to send you some money for the CAD files so I could get some made.

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                #8
                Brake upgrades part 1: developing an OEM size 2 piece brake rotor

                The stuff I had pictured was 3D printed in PLA plastic just for test fitting by a guy I found on Craigslist. I need to have the same guy revise some of the dimensions for me since I found some fitment issues with the ones I have.

                How much do you think your guy would make them for?
                92 Mazda MX3 GS> For sale, $1750 OBO
                94 Escort wagon--BP swap coming, VF10 Turbo, COP, EVO ECU, 03 ZX2 front end conversion
                "Hold yourself accountable before you are held accountable"
                EV14 330cc@3Bar injector kits available.
                EV14 GT500 injector kits available for the BP. 610cc@3Bar.
                EV14 925cc@3Bar injector kits available
                BP Forged H beam rods available now
                KL Forged H beam rods available now
                K8/KF Forged H beam rods awaiting test fit
                FS Forged H beam rods
                awaiting test fit
                F2 Forged H beam rods awaiting test fit
                FE3 Forged H beam rods coming soon
                Mitsubishi 3.8 MIVEC rods coming soon
                Aluminum CAS/Distributor caps
                BP oil jet eliminators
                EV14 fuel rail spacers
                More stuff coming soon.......

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                  #9
                  I might very well be interested, pending some more solid price figures.
                  1990 Protege 4WD
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by me109 View Post
                    I might very well be interested, pending some more solid price figures.
                    Well if we can get 10 people at $50 each for a deposit and $50 upon completion then I will go through with it.
                    92 Mazda MX3 GS> For sale, $1750 OBO
                    94 Escort wagon--BP swap coming, VF10 Turbo, COP, EVO ECU, 03 ZX2 front end conversion
                    "Hold yourself accountable before you are held accountable"
                    EV14 330cc@3Bar injector kits available.
                    EV14 GT500 injector kits available for the BP. 610cc@3Bar.
                    EV14 925cc@3Bar injector kits available
                    BP Forged H beam rods available now
                    KL Forged H beam rods available now
                    K8/KF Forged H beam rods awaiting test fit
                    FS Forged H beam rods
                    awaiting test fit
                    F2 Forged H beam rods awaiting test fit
                    FE3 Forged H beam rods coming soon
                    Mitsubishi 3.8 MIVEC rods coming soon
                    Aluminum CAS/Distributor caps
                    BP oil jet eliminators
                    EV14 fuel rail spacers
                    More stuff coming soon.......

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                      #11
                      If you want, you can email me the drawing and I'll see how much I could make them for.

                      --Ferdi
                      If you can't differentiate between brake and break, you should go back to school
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                      Miscellaneous Pics of Turbo Protege Build
                      Big Front Brake Install using Wilwood Calipers
                      Factory Service Manuals and Familia Brochures - PDF

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                        #12
                        A detail I forgot to mention is that they quoted me that price for the hats to be made in 7075-T6. Wilwood hats are made in 6061-T6
                        92 Mazda MX3 GS> For sale, $1750 OBO
                        94 Escort wagon--BP swap coming, VF10 Turbo, COP, EVO ECU, 03 ZX2 front end conversion
                        "Hold yourself accountable before you are held accountable"
                        EV14 330cc@3Bar injector kits available.
                        EV14 GT500 injector kits available for the BP. 610cc@3Bar.
                        EV14 925cc@3Bar injector kits available
                        BP Forged H beam rods available now
                        KL Forged H beam rods available now
                        K8/KF Forged H beam rods awaiting test fit
                        FS Forged H beam rods
                        awaiting test fit
                        F2 Forged H beam rods awaiting test fit
                        FE3 Forged H beam rods coming soon
                        Mitsubishi 3.8 MIVEC rods coming soon
                        Aluminum CAS/Distributor caps
                        BP oil jet eliminators
                        EV14 fuel rail spacers
                        More stuff coming soon.......

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                          #13
                          is this $50 per corner, i presume? for a 2 piece rotor? that's a helluva deal if so.
                          1992 Ultra Blue Metallic EGT - The 'scort with no name - crap>reliable daily>rallycross prep>stage rally
                          Featured in Rally Gearbox Magazine 3/1/11
                          "There's a hierarchy of insanity in motor sports. Normal people think all racers are crazy. Folks who race sedans think people in open-wheel cars are nuts. People who race cars of any kind think motorcycle racers are absolutely off theirs meds. But there's one group that everyone agrees is made up of the most extreme, the most daring, and absolutely craziest people in racing - rally racers."

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                            #14
                            No that price is only for the hats per corner. You buy the wilwood rotor and hardware kit.

                            All said and done you would be into this for $250 which is about half the price you would pay for a similar setup with wilwood hats and wilwood does not make a hat that would work for this application.
                            92 Mazda MX3 GS> For sale, $1750 OBO
                            94 Escort wagon--BP swap coming, VF10 Turbo, COP, EVO ECU, 03 ZX2 front end conversion
                            "Hold yourself accountable before you are held accountable"
                            EV14 330cc@3Bar injector kits available.
                            EV14 GT500 injector kits available for the BP. 610cc@3Bar.
                            EV14 925cc@3Bar injector kits available
                            BP Forged H beam rods available now
                            KL Forged H beam rods available now
                            K8/KF Forged H beam rods awaiting test fit
                            FS Forged H beam rods
                            awaiting test fit
                            F2 Forged H beam rods awaiting test fit
                            FE3 Forged H beam rods coming soon
                            Mitsubishi 3.8 MIVEC rods coming soon
                            Aluminum CAS/Distributor caps
                            BP oil jet eliminators
                            EV14 fuel rail spacers
                            More stuff coming soon.......

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                              #15
                              Ah. Ok. I haven't look at the big brake kit threads for 'a while'. thanks for the clarification
                              1992 Ultra Blue Metallic EGT - The 'scort with no name - crap>reliable daily>rallycross prep>stage rally
                              Featured in Rally Gearbox Magazine 3/1/11
                              "There's a hierarchy of insanity in motor sports. Normal people think all racers are crazy. Folks who race sedans think people in open-wheel cars are nuts. People who race cars of any kind think motorcycle racers are absolutely off theirs meds. But there's one group that everyone agrees is made up of the most extreme, the most daring, and absolutely craziest people in racing - rally racers."

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