Toga High Volume Oil Pumps?... worried!!!

[Shades]

Ok so someone has informed me that Toga HV oil pumps are bad. Now I know that's a bias opinion and proof has been provided from ProbeTalk. Obviously we run different oil pumps than them... but what about the companies reputation. Our 1.8L 4 cyl BP's to the 2.5L V6 KL's...

Proof #1
Proof #2

Now I know a couple of you have run these pumps, have you had any problems with them?

Anyone else know of any other stories, and can provide proof?

I know that if the pumps aren't primed that they will cause internal damage and fail down the road, not saying that they weren't primed.

[FE3-323]

just shim your stock oil pump. no need to risk it.

[Turpro]

im about to space my toga to see if there is any difference. ill let ya know. i know it seems like after running for over 15 minutes it will drop the oil pressure but i havent had any problems with the pump. mines been on since i think april 05'. i have the occational lifter tick but it doesnt stay for long. and it doesnt tick until my car has set for longer than 3 days(i rarely drive on the weekends) or after a fresh oil change.

my $0.02 is to stick with oem.but then again i havent had a blown motor since i installed the toga one.

edit: i'll let you know what the pressure is running after i look harder 2moro on the way home. i'll give you start up and every 10 minute update.

[naprotejay]

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=378

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http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=378

Thanks for the link, I already knew these weren't "HV"... as in this article on Flyin' Miata. But good to know that none have siezed on any BP's yet. I guess those guys at ProbeTalk just have bad luck with that model of pump.

edit: i'll let you know what the pressure is running after i look harder 2moro on the way home. i'll give you start up and every 10 minute update.

Kewl thanks... yeah, that would be some good info.


They also state that these pumps are made in Japan... one would think that they would be of Japanese quality, yes? Hmmm...

[Turpro]

ok so here's what i can tell you from todays ride. mind you that i need new valve seals and burn oil from that.

start up:
idle 900rpm=62psi

after 3 minute warm up:
idle 900rpm=60psi
3000 rpm=72-73 psi

after 15 minute drive home:
idle 900 rpm=21-22 psi
3000 rpm=41-42 psi

after i space it i hope the numbers go up cause the manual states:
at 1000 rpm=29-42
at 3000 rpm=43-56

so my numbers aren't to low to worry but i always worry about this type of ****.

[Shades]

Thanks for the numbers... I'm pretty sure that when you change your valve seals that it'll bring it up a bit... and if it's your oil rings then it'll bring it up to normal. But you don't want too much from spacing it out, could dry the pan and suck up air... not good for the bearings.

But thanks again for the numbers... I'll have to invest in a oil pressure gauge with the new motor so I can keep an eye on it.

I'm not too worried about it anymore since the Miata guys are kewl with it... must be just a Ford Probe thing, since the pump is a different design.

[lakersfan1]

Thanks for the numbers... I'm pretty sure that when you change your valve seals that it'll bring it up a bit... and if it's your oil rings then it'll bring it up to normal. But you don't want too much from spacing it out, could dry the pan and suck up air... not good for the bearings.

I don't see how valve seals and piston rings would effect oil pressure, since none of those effects orifice size for any of the oil passages. About the only wear items we can replace that effect pressure #'s (other than the pump itself) is main and rod bearings. Then we can play with oil viscosity also, but for anyone running hydraulic lifters, I'd stay with 5W30. If you do a solid lifter conversion, then some 10W40 would probably help your pressure numbers without doing any harm.

[FE3-323]

if your boosted & have worn rings, blowby can positivly charge the crankcase, thus effectign oil pressure.

[Shades]

On the same subject of oil pumps... why am I paying more for an oil pump when I can get one for $65CDN?

Are oil pumps down in the US more expensive for some reason, non-HV oil pumps?

[Turpro]

On the same subject of oil pumps... why am I paying more for an oil pump when I can get one for $65CDN?

Are oil pumps down in the US more expensive for some reason, non-HV oil pumps?

i priced oil pumps from 3 sources.

autozone=BECK_ARNLEY OIL PUMP for a 1993 MAZDA PROTEGE
Unit Price: $197.99 http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBr...%7ENONE%7C%7EV

oem mazda=$249 http://www.trademotion.com/partlocat...32&catalogid=1

toga hv=$129 http://www.importperformanceparts.ne...umpsmazda.html

when i bought mine it was $149

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i priced oil pumps from 3 sources.

autozone=BECK_ARNLEY OIL PUMP for a 1993 MAZDA PROTEGE
Unit Price: $197.99 http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBr...%7ENONE%7C%7EV

oem mazda=$249 http://www.trademotion.com/partlocat...32&catalogid=1

toga hv=$129 http://www.importperformanceparts.ne...umpsmazda.html

when i bought mine it was $149

Wow... maybe I should start selling oil pumps. LoL

[Turpro]

Wow... maybe I should start selling oil pumps. LoL

thats what i said

[bcrx7]

Parts in Canada are generally cheaper. Don't ask me why. I tend to pay almost half as much even at Mazda dealer in Canada than I do in US.

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Here's she is...






On the last picture you see near the seal, something has been ground off... Hmmm... what could it be?