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    Mazda 91 Lx to Mazda gtx swap--->new member

    Hey guys, glad to be apart of the club protege scene. Seems legit haha
    Lets get to bisiness, It all began when i bought my first mazda fimilia car, a 1992 ford escort gt. Fell in love with the car and had plans of turboing it and such. I did my research and learned about all the great interchange parts that mazda famillia has to offer and so my quest began. I Found out about the mazda 323 gtx engines and though it would be grand to put one of those in my escort. The 1.8 bp26 I would cheak craigslist every once in awile for them (never really expected much) but one day i stumbled acrost a 1991 mazda protege lx with a 1.8 bp26 swap (came out of the mazda 323 gtx as you well know) for 1200$ and about a 30min car ride. Went to cheak it out and seemed legit. I cheaked it out and the guy was running it without the turbo. N/a setup with the stock lx injectors with lx stock mass air flow running on the bp26 (gtx) ecu. It ran like a champ to (don't understand why). I asked why the turbo wasn't on it. He said the guy that sold it to him said it was blowing out black soot out the exaust and running real rich when the turbo setup was on. (The good news was the turbo (vj20) setup and injectors were in the trunk) He said just needed a fuel pressure regulator and it would be good to go. Needless to say i bought the Car for 850 and drove it home with plans of swapping it into the Scourt.
    To save time, cause get to up for work tomorow at 430am ill shorten this s*#% up.
    I decided to keep the engine in the lx because the body/chassis was in alot better shape then my escort gt (and i bought it with an r-title unknowingly) so it wouldn't be worth it.
    I bought an intercooler kit and piped it in myself, threw the turbo on it with the gtx blacktop injectors, and the jdm mass air flow that came with it on the car. After some test runs the car was running really really rich (and was blowing black soot like he said) and came to the conclusion it was the mass air flow because when i stuck the stock lx mass air flow it would run lean. The guy who owened it before me bought a 1.6 mazda gtx reman mass air flow instead of the 1.8 mazda gtx mass air flow. *smack head* So considering i couldn't find a jdm 1.8 323 gtx mass air flow anywhere i decided to get a SAFC-II and control the air/fuel ratio manually. I can't really do much considering i need a a/f ratio gauge. So im waiting on a AEM Eugo in the mail currently then i can get to work (should be here in 2 days)

    I am just cureous about what you guys think about using the wrong maf with the right ecu and trying to make it work by using a SAFC. I have the stock lx maf which runs it too lean, and the 1.6 gtx maf that runs it too rich. Which would be better to use (the1.6 is bigger and i would gain some hp because of the bigger diamater.)

    Ill post some pics and update tomorow, gtg, chow
    boostedgoose

    1994 lx turbo in the works
    1991 lx gtx swap---> sold
    1992 lx turbo ---> deceased/rebuilt/deceased
    1992 Ford escort gt ----> sold

    #2
    search on here how to adjust the vaf. I'd say at some point someone messed with it. No need to run a safc. Do you have the gtx injectors?
    bp swapped escort lx, gtr ecu, gtr intake manifold, A code VAF, rx7 460cc injectors, ky clutch, holset hy35 turbo on 8lbs, 38mm tial wastegate, ramhorn manifold, full 3 inch ss exhaust, walbro 255 fuel pump

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      #3
      look for an rx7 b code vaf, it should run better than both those VAFs


      NW MAZDAS

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        #4
        Man sure that ecu is for sure a bt (bp26) ecu. My bud is running a na vaf with no lean issues.

        How can you determine if you're running too rich or lean without a wideband? I say get the wideband hooked in and then see what its doing.

        Welcome to cp. Post up some pics
        Last edited by Turpro; 01-08-2013, 08:10 AM.
        1993 Protege LX-Midnight's shadow SOLD
        1996 Honda CBR600-Wrecked. Damn Honda crippled me
        2002 mazda MPV-family truckster SOLD
        2010 VW routon

        Originally posted by jay
        .....they totally underestimated the number of gearheads such as myself that have families but refuse to grow the hell up and stop playing with cars, or that otherwise see the utility of having 4 doors. Obviously I ain't alone, as there are a helluva lotta sti and evo here. Bueler? Beuler? Mazda? Mazda?

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          #5
          i can tell via sparkplugs. Tips are a nice frosty color (to lean, lx mass air flow) and way wet with the 1.6gtx. I am running the gtx blacktop injectors.

          I don't know if i would want to mess with ajusting the Maf, my brother tried that on his dsm and didn't work out well at all.
          I think its the bpt ecu, i can make out a bp26 on it. Ill post some pics. GTG only a 15min break for work haha.

          1994 lx turbo in the works
          1991 lx gtx swap---> sold
          1992 lx turbo ---> deceased/rebuilt/deceased
          1992 Ford escort gt ----> sold

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            #6
            btw i tired looking for a rx7 b code. Don't know what im looking for or where to find it

            1994 lx turbo in the works
            1991 lx gtx swap---> sold
            1992 lx turbo ---> deceased/rebuilt/deceased
            1992 Ford escort gt ----> sold

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              #7
              86-88 non turbo Rx7 IIRC.
              Before you criticize someone, first try walking a mile in their shoes. Because then you'll be a mile away, and you'll have their shoes...

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                #8
                Out of curiosity, what's the letter on the "1.6gtx" air meter?
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                03 Accord DX: K24/5MT, peasant-spec old man's car
                92 240SX: KA/T25, nerd mobile

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                  #9
                  It's a vaf not maf just for your info. My buds scort with gtx setup is running just fine with 5cclless per injector(running probe gt ones not gtx) and u code(na vaf). I'd personally wait till you got the wideband.
                  1993 Protege LX-Midnight's shadow SOLD
                  1996 Honda CBR600-Wrecked. Damn Honda crippled me
                  2002 mazda MPV-family truckster SOLD
                  2010 VW routon

                  Originally posted by jay
                  .....they totally underestimated the number of gearheads such as myself that have families but refuse to grow the hell up and stop playing with cars, or that otherwise see the utility of having 4 doors. Obviously I ain't alone, as there are a helluva lotta sti and evo here. Bueler? Beuler? Mazda? Mazda?

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                    #10
                    what do u mean letter? maybe an "s" donno what you mean but the 1.6 gtx vaf# (thanks turpro) is 74-20020..................... Just got my Eugo in the mail going to put it in and see where im at. And for the rx7 vaf ill look into if this dosnt work. we shall see

                    1994 lx turbo in the works
                    1991 lx gtx swap---> sold
                    1992 lx turbo ---> deceased/rebuilt/deceased
                    1992 Ford escort gt ----> sold

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                      #11
                      there's a big letter with the part number on top of the air meter housing... B, U, A, K, etc.
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                      03 Accord DX: K24/5MT, peasant-spec old man's car
                      92 240SX: KA/T25, nerd mobile

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                        #12
                        s, its worn off i had to look for it ;p

                        1994 lx turbo in the works
                        1991 lx gtx swap---> sold
                        1992 lx turbo ---> deceased/rebuilt/deceased
                        1992 Ford escort gt ----> sold

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                          #13
                          pretty sure an S code is for a B8, might explain why it's running ****ed up...
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                          03 Accord DX: K24/5MT, peasant-spec old man's car
                          92 240SX: KA/T25, nerd mobile

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                            #14
                            ok so realize now that you need to do some welding for the wideband... Its going to be awile until i get this all sorted out along with other gauges im installing. . The B8 is alot smaller then gtx 1.8. Don't know why it would be running wet rich, then again so is the 1.6. Im also having breaking up issues while its idleing and a high one also.

                            1994 lx turbo in the works
                            1991 lx gtx swap---> sold
                            1992 lx turbo ---> deceased/rebuilt/deceased
                            1992 Ford escort gt ----> sold

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                              #15
                              You can run a simulated narrowband signal and ditch your stock O2 sensor entirely.
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                              03 Accord DX: K24/5MT, peasant-spec old man's car
                              92 240SX: KA/T25, nerd mobile

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