Damn Brakes!!

[jumpncrash]

Ok,so I installed some SS brake lines this week, along with new pads and calipers, as well as 2 new steel brake lines for the front.

SO I get to bleeding them, everything seems ok, I started with gravity bleeding em for a while, then I started bleeding at the rear right, go to rear left, front right, front left. so it all feels ok up to there, no more bubbles were comin out of the bleeders after a few tries. So I put everything back on, and start the car, and its like I've done nothing. The pedal goes almost to teh floor, at which point I get a little resistance, and a sort of squeak...If I pump the brakes fast I get a little more resistance out of them on the 2nd or 3rd pump. I've bled em a few times already, always with the same results...I can't seem to see any leaks anywhere. So if somebody could just toss an idea my way, or something, cuz I'm getting frickin peeved here because I've never had issues bleeding the brakes before.

Thanks guys,
Nick

[Struggly]

Is the car fairly level when you're bleeding it? Was your pedal totally fine before you installed the lines?

If you've bled the brakes thoroughly and are certain you've done nothing wrong, you might need to toss in a new master cylinder. Mileage on your current one?

Clint

[FE3-323]

recheck your banjo fittings @ the SS line & the caliper. they need to be excessively tight to not leak. perhaps thats an issue.

[smoke187]

also invest in a pump clear tubing and a glass jar

[JSLEnterprises]

i'm with smoke187, but i dont believe the pump is really necessary.

my bleeding method
- push pedal to the floor & hold
- loosten the bleeder screw & watch it piss
- tighten the bleeder screw
- release the pedal
- top up the master cylinder res after doing this twice
- repeat a couple times and ALL the air will have been forced out

I've found that doing this gets air out of the new calipers that otherwise would have been missed. and if you're a manual tranny, make sure you bleed the clutch release too. But if your pedal keeps going to the floor, there might possibly be a problem with your brake booster... just a thought.

[JSLEnterprises]

recheck your banjo fittings @ the SS line & the caliper. they need to be excessively tight to not leak. perhaps thats an issue.

... thats how you sheer them in two

[Beerizfood]

if you master is old and the system has never been opened or bled sometimes the piston inside the master goes in to a place it hasnt seen in a long time.
The piston can stay there taking away hydraulic pressure even though the pedal returns after pushing on it.Or the seal inside gets damaged.
BTW if its rear disc and you have those rear calipers that require adjusting up after install make sure you tightened them up them back them off slightly.

[Kitty]

Its 3 pumps and hold on the third when bleeding.

[jumpncrash]

ok, well its drums in the back, and I have a clear tube and glass jar, thats how I was bleeding them.
There are no leaks at the banjo bolts
The master has an indeterminate amount of KMs on it, probably the original one. How would I be able to tell if its the master for sure, or the brake booster?

[Beerizfood]

when ur bleeding ...does each bleeder screw "shoot out" brake fuid with plenty of pressure using Kitty's method?
If your system went empty during the install you may have air in the master
in which case it may need to be bled.

[jumpncrash]

umm...well it shot out on some of em, but mostly I tried to just open the screw a bit so I don't have an explosion of fluid. and yeah it went dry at some point cuz I'm a dolt, but doesn't just letting em drip for a while fill it back up again? After it went dry I started all over again

[Beerizfood]

umm...well it shot out on some of em, but mostly I tried to just open the screw a bit so I don't have an explosion of fluid. and yeah it went dry at some point cuz I'm a dolt, but doesn't just letting em drip for a while fill it back up again? After it went dry I started all over again

if it went dry odds are the master needs bleeding.

[jumpncrash]

so how would I go about bleeding the master then? I looked on google and all I found were bench bleeding methods...is there any other way without taking it out of the car and getting the special tool?

[wheresthericego]

I use a vaccum pump for bleeding the master cylinders and clutch slave. Works ****ing wonders

[cat34evr]

http://www.speedbleeder.com/

These make life a little easier if you are working alone.