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    Traction bars for MX3's

    Stumbled upon this thread today. Might be of interest to some of you cats on here.

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    #2
    I don't see how heim joints running parallel/in tandem with the stock control arms would really help any significant amount.

    Now if they mounted to the frame rails or the front of the car sure.
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      #3
      Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. But, apparently they say it works.

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        #4
        that should help some, but i question if it will clear a BP oil pan and also his mounting method on the LCA. why not just use both BJ bolt holes?

        plus, you wouldnt be able to use front lower tie bars.
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          #5
          If figure the real problem is the soft rubber bushings. I guess with the adjustable endlinks and heim joint's you can preload the bushings and keep the arm from moving back and forth. Makes sense for a street car on normal tires but I can't see this design working all that well on an all out drag car with huge slicks and a ton of power. Those puny little brackets will probably just bend or oblong the holes in the control arms.

          http://videos.streetfire.net/video/M...-run_18851.htm

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            #6
            Originally posted by ftjandra View Post
            Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. But, apparently they say it works.

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            Originally posted by kozzman555
            kitty, you are a hilarious woman
            Originally posted by HopelessCow
            there is one thing i dunno what is that call,a thing look like a gun, u press the button and stick to the metal and it makes firework, do i need that thing?and what s the philip head screw drivers?
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              #7
              LMao. How the hell could this possibly work? Retarded idea is retarded. Why not just weld a piece of rebar to ur LCA and call it a traction bar. Might as well paint it lime green and call it mazdaspeed
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                #8
                Wheelhop is actually generated from the the control arm moving front to back while the tire is trying to catch traction. These prevent the control arm from moving front to back under load. It's actually the same theory the original PMO bars worked on. Just in a much smaller package. The probe guys have been running this style for a few years.
                the theory sounds right, and btw i have seen hppwdn's work in person i would put alittle more faith in his design.
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                  #9
                  it needs forward support & a better design on both LCA & balljoint points. if it had a steel piece in the middle between the hiem joints & another heim joint going to the frame rail then it should make a difference.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by MD323 View Post
                    the theory sounds right, and btw i have seen hppwdn's work in person i would put alittle more faith in his design.
                    this is basily just glueing a peice of metal to the control arms. It isnt bracing it from going front to back.

                    Look at profesional honda traction bar design.
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                    Originally posted by kozzman555
                    kitty, you are a hilarious woman
                    Originally posted by HopelessCow
                    there is one thing i dunno what is that call,a thing look like a gun, u press the button and stick to the metal and it makes firework, do i need that thing?and what s the philip head screw drivers?
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Kitty View Post
                      this is basily just glueing a peice of metal to the control arms. It isnt bracing it from going front to back.

                      Look at profesional honda traction bar design.
                      its braced onto the subframe right where the LCA attatched, so no its not like gluing a piece of metal onto it
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                        #12


                        This is what a traction bar should look like.



                        Not this silly garbage.

                        It attaches the control arm to......... the control arm. Just because it mounts to the sub frame doesn't mean it braces anything.
                        It would literally be the exact thing as tack welding a piece of 1/4 in steel to the control arm. Except that would probably work a hell of a lot better. And you could run a tie bar that would actually do something.

                        Show me how that prevents undesirable movement in the control arms?

                        It doesn't attach anything that isn't attached in the first place.
                        Beater=/= Sleeper

                        Originally posted by kozzman555
                        kitty, you are a hilarious woman
                        Originally posted by HopelessCow
                        there is one thing i dunno what is that call,a thing look like a gun, u press the button and stick to the metal and it makes firework, do i need that thing?and what s the philip head screw drivers?
                        Using Linux for anything serious besides server or software dev is like using a tin can and a string for telecommunications.

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                          #13
                          I'm with kitty o nthis one...design makes little to no sense IMO

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                            #14
                            would it be feasible to reverse the order & have something bracing the control arm from the rear most LCA bracket mount points???
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                              #15
                              how come im not allowed to post my thoughts on this within the mx3 forum? is there a post count limit on that thread?
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