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    Bolt on fender braces; not a how to.

    There use to be about three vendors selling the exact same white fender braces. There was one the last time I noticed them and he didn't have a good number in stock so I figured I might as well pick them up as I couldn't have anything made at their price point unless I was doing it myself. And anything I made myself would probably just be welded on car and I'd set the thing on fire.

    I was pretty drunk when I caliper'd and installed the first side and didn't look at the pictures prior to posting this. So the measurement photos are rubbish. The numbers are accurate to my normal standard of +/- .5mm. I'm not getting paid for accuracy.



    The OD of all the tubing is 26mm save for possibly a change where there is a bend.



    The door flanges are much thicker than the flange where they attach in the front by the strut tower. 2mm for the door brackets


    Vs 1.5mm for the "strut" flange.


    I wonder if this is a cost cutting choice or a manufacturing needs choice. I would of put the thicker single bracket in the front vs the two rears. But I'm a failed mechanical engineer so I'm not the keenest on the subject.

    I thought I had some longer bolts for the door to compensate but they were the same size as the ones removed. I'm not TOO concerned about the loss of a few threads on the door bolts but I'm not too excited about it either.



    This is made in Malaysia, which means they welds are made by birds pooping more than likely. They cleaned them up fairly well before paint though. And they are magnetic so they're steel(or ferrous pot metal) and not aluminum.



    I would imagine the holes are for back gassing. Or to promote internal rusting. I don't know.



    If you can't manage to take a fender off don't buy these. I'm not here to help you do things the service manual lines up very well.

    Here are some helpful pictures/hints once you get past that point.

    Remove the 2lbs of dirt from your fender.


    This is now a weight reduction modification.



    Carefully outline your door hinges with a scribe or pencil so in the event they move you'll notice.

    I used cheap black paint because I'm cheap and black.



    Hammer the fended stud pointing towards the front of the car down before you try to test fit anything. It will scrap the **** out of the paint and there is no possible way to run theses bars and use that mounting point. I managed to align my fenders just fine and so can you afterwards.


    Don't remove the middle bolt in the top door bracket. If you leave this guy installed and don't open the door your doors should stay aligned to their previous position.(Unless your car is rubbish.)



    Crank the door flange bolts down evenly and fully. Then see where you are on the flange on the "frame rail" I'm fairly impressed on how close it was to be honest. My car is very old and these parts are very foreign. I've seen $200 sets on 240s fit worse.



    Drill your holes for the "frame rail" flange bolts. I'm not going to tell you the proper ways to drill holes. I will say it was a 9/16 hole you need to drill(probably). I used a stepper bit,because laziness, and bit into the flange a little bit. Put some primer on any fresh metal you now have.



    This isn't a visible part, being ugly will not effect trouble shooting later either so It got a lot of effort put into it.

    If you have a friend with small hands invite him over for some beer.
    I don't have any friends but I have plenty of beer so I was drinking and just jammed my hand in the tiny hole with a wrench.



    The included nuts are self locking, and thread fairly well overall. They're either 13 or 14mm.

    Don't crank theses guys down until you loose up the door flange bolts.



    Throw some paint over any parts your primered.



    If you're in a racing class you might want to paint the bars black as well.As they are visible from the cabin slightly.



    Not that I condone cheating but these braces aren't going to give an equivalent advantage as someone running $300 a piece cheater tires in Stock classes and are too much of a pain to remove for track/cone days. On an unrelated note there are installed on a friends car. Never mind that I just said I don't have friends.


    Here is my fender hood gap, which is nice considering I'm now missing three bolts on this one. The one required for removal to install the brace, One of the under-car ones that's head snapped off on removal and one of the engine bay ones that needs to be re-tapped.



    I will get to fixing those soon(tm)


    I burned through a tank of gas this weekend putting the car through it's paces. And while I don't have a defined fun run here that I can use as a metric I do know what I feel comfortable with doing and my average speed through a section of road.

    I'd say this brace set feels very similar to a front strut bar, but with the added benefit of heavy braking feel benefit. I do a decent amount of 80 to 60 braking on the back-roads and the car just feels better. It doesn't feel 6 pot calipers on a 225+ wide tire better. But I'd have no problem saying it feels $100 better.

    Road noise has also altered slightly, speed bumps I've learned the exact suspensions sound to are deeper from the front end. This could be a pro or a con. And I also have a whistling noise on occasion while going fast highway speeds and turning slightly right. I think it would be a good idea to put tape over those ****ing holes. That or my door is slightly off now, but I'm going to blame the holes.


    Who I'd recommend this to

    People that have done all the other front end bolt-ons, including bushings.

    People that can't weld.

    People that aren't poor.

    People that are capable of realigning doors and fenders.

    People that won't try to sue me for drilling through their hand.

    Who I'd not recommend this to

    People who have factory front bushings.

    People who have 14x5in wheels.

    People who think delirn door bushings are a good use of $70 for a BG

    Poor people.

    People worried about "muh crash safety"

    People who think this would give the rigidity of a roll cage/front tube frame
    Last edited by Kitty; 09-14-2015, 03:02 PM.
    Beater=/= Sleeper

    Originally posted by kozzman555
    kitty, you are a hilarious woman
    Originally posted by HopelessCow
    there is one thing i dunno what is that call,a thing look like a gun, u press the button and stick to the metal and it makes firework, do i need that thing?and what s the philip head screw drivers?
    Using Linux for anything serious besides server or software dev is like using a tin can and a string for telecommunications.

    #2
    do you actually think/feel these make any improvement whatsoever?
    i visually can't grasp it
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      #3
      Originally posted by FE3-323 View Post
      do you actually think/feel these make any improvement whatsoever?
      i visually can't grasp it
      Originally posted by Kitty View Post
      I'd say this brace set feels very similar to a front strut bar, but with the added benefit of heavy braking feel benefit. I do a decent amount of 80 to 60 braking on the back-roads and the car just feels better. It doesn't feel 6 pot calipers on a 225+ wide tire better. But I'd have no problem saying it feels $100 better.
      It's a confidence mod more than anything. Anyone that says it's a drastic change would be a liar. Anyone who says it would do nothing is just too lazy to install them and see.

      Think of it as just adding a big gussets to the front end, or attaching the front struts to the doors. I don't know how you visualize things.
      Beater=/= Sleeper

      Originally posted by kozzman555
      kitty, you are a hilarious woman
      Originally posted by HopelessCow
      there is one thing i dunno what is that call,a thing look like a gun, u press the button and stick to the metal and it makes firework, do i need that thing?and what s the philip head screw drivers?
      Using Linux for anything serious besides server or software dev is like using a tin can and a string for telecommunications.

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        #4
        Are these the fender braces on e-Bay for $78.47?

        1990 Mazda Protege LX, owned since new

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          #5
          Yeah that's the seller I bought mine from. I'm now butt hurt they didn't come with the awesome DRIFT AND DRAG stickers. They're the same as the UltraRacing ones that get relabeled and upsold.
          Beater=/= Sleeper

          Originally posted by kozzman555
          kitty, you are a hilarious woman
          Originally posted by HopelessCow
          there is one thing i dunno what is that call,a thing look like a gun, u press the button and stick to the metal and it makes firework, do i need that thing?and what s the philip head screw drivers?
          Using Linux for anything serious besides server or software dev is like using a tin can and a string for telecommunications.

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            #6
            That was my concern also, since you didn't have the "Drift and Drag" stickers (reason enough to buy any part) I felt you must have had an inferior product...
            Last edited by Proto-G; 09-15-2015, 08:01 PM. Reason: spelling
            1990 Mazda Protege LX, owned since new

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              #7
              Originally posted by Kitty View Post
              It's a confidence mod more than anything. Anyone that says it's a drastic change would be a liar. Anyone who says it would do nothing is just too lazy to install them and see.

              Think of it as just adding a big gussets to the front end, or attaching the front struts to the doors. I don't know how you visualize things.
              I guess because of how thin the front mounting point is, i have a hard time envisioning it does much to tie the engine bay to the cabin.
              IDK i might just have to have 1st hand experience to understand the concept
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              1992- project FE3..... 313 WHP @ 9.3psi




              I pet my dash when I get into the car..."good car"
              he actually has a mazda tree, parts grow on it

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                #8
                Originally posted by Kitty View Post
                Who I'd not recommend this to

                People who think delirn door bushings are a good use of $70 for a BG
                92 Mazda MX3 GS> For sale, $1750 OBO
                94 Escort wagon--BP swap coming, VF10 Turbo, COP, EVO ECU, 03 ZX2 front end conversion
                "Hold yourself accountable before you are held accountable"
                EV14 330cc@3Bar injector kits available.
                EV14 GT500 injector kits available for the BP. 610cc@3Bar.
                EV14 925cc@3Bar injector kits available
                BP Forged H beam rods available now
                KL Forged H beam rods available now
                K8/KF Forged H beam rods awaiting test fit
                FS Forged H beam rods
                awaiting test fit
                F2 Forged H beam rods awaiting test fit
                FE3 Forged H beam rods coming soon
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                More stuff coming soon.......

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by FE3-323 View Post
                  I guess because of how thin the front mounting point is, i have a hard time envisioning it does much to tie the engine bay to the cabin.
                  IDK i might just have to have 1st hand experience to understand the concept
                  Do you mean the bar's thinness or the "frame rails" thinness?

                  Take a peak at the factory evo fender brace.




                  It's mounting points are equal in size if not thinner and it's attached by grey honda-bond.
                  And that's on a 35k+ boyracer car.

                  I have no problem saying I bought something that sucks if it in fact does so.
                  But I don't really care enough to defend them anymore than I already have, which is clearly very little.



                  Originally posted by 300zxrb26dett View Post
                  Quote
                  I quoted your quote.

                  Inception.
                  Beater=/= Sleeper

                  Originally posted by kozzman555
                  kitty, you are a hilarious woman
                  Originally posted by HopelessCow
                  there is one thing i dunno what is that call,a thing look like a gun, u press the button and stick to the metal and it makes firework, do i need that thing?and what s the philip head screw drivers?
                  Using Linux for anything serious besides server or software dev is like using a tin can and a string for telecommunications.

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                    #10
                    most interesting!! i've never seen that evo design. thanks for sharing!
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                    1992- project FE3..... 313 WHP @ 9.3psi




                    I pet my dash when I get into the car..."good car"
                    he actually has a mazda tree, parts grow on it

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                      #11
                      The fender brace is really no different than the ever popular Miata frame rails in concept. It's resisting the bending of the chassis for and aft.

                      I don't how often any of you get to look at brand new cars on a lift, but most newer cars have all kinds of braces on them that I am sure most people would say do absolutely nothing, while in reality they are there for a reason.
                      92 Mazda MX3 GS> For sale, $1750 OBO
                      94 Escort wagon--BP swap coming, VF10 Turbo, COP, EVO ECU, 03 ZX2 front end conversion
                      "Hold yourself accountable before you are held accountable"
                      EV14 330cc@3Bar injector kits available.
                      EV14 GT500 injector kits available for the BP. 610cc@3Bar.
                      EV14 925cc@3Bar injector kits available
                      BP Forged H beam rods available now
                      KL Forged H beam rods available now
                      K8/KF Forged H beam rods awaiting test fit
                      FS Forged H beam rods
                      awaiting test fit
                      F2 Forged H beam rods awaiting test fit
                      FE3 Forged H beam rods coming soon
                      Mitsubishi 3.8 MIVEC rods coming soon
                      Aluminum CAS/Distributor caps
                      BP oil jet eliminators
                      EV14 fuel rail spacers
                      More stuff coming soon.......

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                        #12
                        Hey Kitty, I just looked at the ad again. Did you pay $63.00 for shipping? Did they fly you there for pick up?
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                          #13
                          I'm assuming they're pocketing ~$20 over shipping. They came pretty fast from THE ORIENT at an actual shipping cost of $35 give or take the exchange rate.

                          You can buy the UR ones from American vendors for $200 shipped though!

                          Id rather they do it that way than charge $100 for the item and thirty shipping, screw ebay.
                          Beater=/= Sleeper

                          Originally posted by kozzman555
                          kitty, you are a hilarious woman
                          Originally posted by HopelessCow
                          there is one thing i dunno what is that call,a thing look like a gun, u press the button and stick to the metal and it makes firework, do i need that thing?and what s the philip head screw drivers?
                          Using Linux for anything serious besides server or software dev is like using a tin can and a string for telecommunications.

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                            #14
                            As a follow up, You should install these braces with the wheels on the ground like I've done in the photos. Doing a test install of a fender brace on the 240sx while is was on jack stands led to some absurd fender mounting issues when it was back on the ground to the point I thought the front forks had sagged half an inch.

                            I still think this is a great no negative side effect modification 6 years later.

                            They're still on ebay but hidden, magic words are "Fender Bars" now, going for $220 shipped.
                            Beater=/= Sleeper

                            Originally posted by kozzman555
                            kitty, you are a hilarious woman
                            Originally posted by HopelessCow
                            there is one thing i dunno what is that call,a thing look like a gun, u press the button and stick to the metal and it makes firework, do i need that thing?and what s the philip head screw drivers?
                            Using Linux for anything serious besides server or software dev is like using a tin can and a string for telecommunications.

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                              #15
                              Just posting to say that these are still available, as well as strut tower bars from the same seller for BF and BG cars.

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