custom 99-00 front lip

[jnorion]

Why swap at all if you're not getting a bigger engine?

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yeah, I would think that a 1.8 should drop right in.

[Drackonn]

i thought the 1.8 didnt just drop right in, if it does then we will go shopping for a 1.8

thank you for the comments the mirrors will be painted soon, after the taillights and rear lip get put on

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there has to be plenty of threads talking about it. The protegeFAQ might have something as well

[Drackonn]

from what i can get out of the faq, what i said is right. trying to put any other engine besides another 1.6l or converting my 1.6l to manual is too time consuming and kinda useless

[jnorion]

from what i can get out of the faq, what i said is right. trying to put any other engine besides another 1.6l or converting my 1.6l to manual is too time consuming and kinda useless

So, again, why put another 1.6 in? Is there something seriously wrong with yours now? It seems like a waste of money to me.

[Witchdoktor]

Very nice and original

[Drackonn]

by the time i do it my engine will probably have around 75k -100k miles i dont think it will hold up to well to everything

[Drackonn]

thank you danny ... and another dilemma im having ... what do you guys think carbon fiber hood? or no?

[vegasprotege]

If you wanna swap heres some info that'll help. it's a page from http://web2.iadfw.net/theman/protegefaq/

Please note all swap info only focus on manual transmission cars.
1st generations:
1st generation cars can swap the entire powertrain to either the BP-ZET (1.8l DOHC
Turbo), *KL-DE, *KL-ZE, or *FE-ZE (aka FE3). B6-E and B8-ME equiped cars can
also swap the powertrain to the one offered in the Protegé LX (BP-ZE 1.8l DOHC)
at a relatively low cost.

*Note for these engines, custom fabrication of mounts will be required. Little is known to
the public what needs to be done to perform a KL (2.5l V6) variant engine swap other
than the only known shop that does the work-- A-Spec of Toronto, Canada. The
FE-ZE 2.0l DOHC engine is basically a "giant" version of the BP engine which means all
the parts are bigger while extremely similar to the 1.8l cousin. The mount locations are
also in similar places, allowing an almost straighforward swap. Although, "FE-ZE" is the
official code for the 170hp 2.0l DOHC engine, it is most commonly refered to as the
"FE3" due to the castings on the block.
2nd generations:
Although 2nd generations have significantly smaller engine bays, performing swaps are
not impossible at all. In fact, the physical portion of the swaps are very straight forward
and almost Honda-like! The only economically viable swap candidate for the 2nd
generations are the BP engines. Although there were actually 2nd generations equiped
with the BP-DE, they are very rare. The majority of the 2nd generations sold were ones
equiped with the Z5-DE engine. Owners with the BP-DE engines have only one very
obvious thing to do: either turbo the stock engine, or swap in the BP-ZET.

Owners with Z5-DE engines will have a very interesting task on their hands when
performing the swap-- transmissions. Contrary to popular belief, the 1995 model was
the only year that the 2nd generations receive the G25M-R transmission. This trans-
mission is more favored due to its tollerances to higher engine power. All 1996-1998
models received only the F25M-R transmission which is generally regarded as weaker.
First, you will have to find out what year and car # your car is (super easy). Then you
will have to decide which transmission you want to use. Regardless of which year your
car is, using the G25M-R transmission will mean more parts required to install the
engine and transmission versus the F25M-R. It is strongly recommended that you use the
G25M-R.When doing the swap, you will need a new transmission anyway, so there's
not really a point in using another F25M-R.

Following is a list of Mazda part #'s of parts needed to perform the swap. This will give
you an idea of what you'll need and should help you find the parts you need at a junk
yard. Parts not mentioned are parts you will be reusing that are compatible. You will
definately need an ECU meant for the Protegé's BP engine and wiring harness for the
engine to run. The 2nd generation's BP ECU is OBD-II based, which may cause
compatibility issues with the BP-ZET engine that was originally meant for a BG chassis
car. An ECU and wiring harness from the 1st generation maybe a solution to this problem.
If you want to use the G25M-R, here are the parts you'll need just to allow the engine
and transmission to bolt in:
Any G transmission from a 1st generation Protegé should work, but the 2nd generation's
G25M-R is guaranteed to work.
BC1F-39-020 #2 engine mount bracket (from 95 model)
BC1F-39-030A #3 engine mount bracket (from 95 model)
BC1F-39-035A #3 engine mount stay bracket
BC1D-39-067 #4 engine mount corn mounting rubber washer (needs 3)
(from 95 model)
BC1E-39-100C #4 engine rubber mount (needs 3)
(from 95 model)
BC1F-39-090 #4 engine mount support bracket (from 95 model)
9978-40-225 #4 engine mount support bracket bolt (needs 2)
(from 95 model)
GJ21-39-094 #4 engine mount support bracket bolt (from 95 model)
GJ21-39-04XB manual transmission to engine bracket (from 95 model)
9975-61-075 manual transmission to engine bracket bolt (needs 2)
(from 95 model)
F057-25-700 joint shaft
BC2A-41-360B clutch pipe
The following is only applicable to cars based on brake system (parts from 95 model):
B01B-41-380A clutch line, non-ABS
E020-41-380B clutch line, ABS
BC1F-46-060 shifter linkage rod (from 95 model)
The following is only applicable to cars based on brake system & VIN (parts from
95 model):
FA14-25-50X right axle, non-ABS (car # -161768)
FA15-25-50X right axle, ABS (car # -161768)
F066-25-500 right axle, non-ABS (car # 161768-)
F066-25-50X right axle, ABS (car # 161768-)
The following is only applicable to cars based on brake system (parts from 95 model):
F065-25-60X left axle, non-ABS
F066-25-60X left axle, ABS
If you insist on using the F25M-R (which is fine if you are just swapping to the BP-DE):
You must get a F25M-R from a 1996-1998 BP engined Protegé
The following is only applicable to specific cars based on VIN:
BC1F-39-030B #3 engine mount bracket (car # -207729)
BC1F-39-030C #3 engine mount bracket (car # 207729-)
BC1F-39-035A #3 engine mount stay bracket
FA08-25-700C joint shaft

As for turbo placement for the BP engine (whether bolt on turbo to the BP-DE or stock
turbo from the BP-ZET), the plumbing work will have to be figured out yourself due to
a much tighter engine bay in the 2nd generations. You can try using the hood scoop fed
top mount intercooler from the turbo diesel 4E-EI equiped cars (in Europe and Japan)
if there is major lack of room for an intercooler (which I highly doubt).
3rd generations:
For the first time, the Protegé got engines from the larger 626 car-- the FP and FS
engines. These engines are physically larger and completely different from the B series
engines used in past models. People who have the 1.6l ZM-DE engines will find that a
swap to the FP or FS engine is cost prohibitive and difficult. Although there is not too
much involved in physically shoehorning the engine into the car, the difficulties and cost
stem from the electrical and electronic components. Swapping to the BP or any other
engine from any 3rd generation car is also extremely difficult and expensive as major
custom fabrication is required. For the owners with the F series engines, swapping to
the FS-ZE engine is a direct bolt on. For owners with the 1.8l FP-DE engine,
swapping the transmission to the G15M-R one used in the newer 2001+ cars is
possible as long as the axles and engine mounts are changed out.

The most physically direct swap for the 1.6l ZM-DE owners is getting the 1.5l ZL-VE
engine from the Japanese market. It has the S-VT variable valve timing system.
Getting the engine physically into the car is not a problem, everything bolts up. The
problem is trying to run the engine with the S-VT. You must get the wiring harness
and ECU to get it to run. At this time, there is not really an aftermarket ECU that will
be able to control such a variable valve timing system. A Honda VTEC controller will
not work. VTEC works in a 2 or 3 stage cam profile mode, while S-VT works like
Toyota's continuously variable VVTi system. Do some research into aftermarket
controllers for Toyota's VVTi system (they are the most plentiful continously variable
valve timing engines available in the market). Anything made to control VVTi will
work with S-VT, including the Haltech E11 ECU.

For 1.6l ZM-DE owners insisting on swapping their engines to the FS engines, you
will need the following in addition to the G15M-R transmission, wiring harnesses and
ECU (this assumes you have a manual transmission and the FS engine you buy have
the necessary motor mount bosses already installed onto the engine):
BL3K-39-040 #1 engine rubber mount
BL3K-39-06YA #3 engine rubber mount
BL3K-39-070A #4 engine rubber mount
BL3K-39-080G #4 engine mount bracket
GA2A-41-380C clutch line
BL3K-46-100 shifter mechanism
GA15-25-700B joint shaft
The following is only applicable to cars based on brake system:
FA71-25-50X right axle, non-ABS
FA61-25-50X right axle, ABS
GD24-25-60XA left axle, non-ABS
GD23-25-60XC left axle, ABS
For the people wanting to use the F25M-R transmission for whatever odd reason:
You must get a F25M-R from a 1999-2000 FP engined Protegé
BJ0N-39-06YD #3 engine rubber mount
FA54-25-700A joint shaft
The following is only applicable to specific cars based on VIN:
BJ0N-39-040C (car # -134481)
B25D-39-040B(car # 134481-)
For the brave souls who want to reuse their stock F25M-R transmission, you must
swap the bell housing of the transmission. This basically means a transmission
rebuild-- even if you are just reusing the internals. The part number for the bell
housing side of the transmission is F5E1-17-150E. Do remember that the gear
ratios between the 1.6l and 1.8l cars are different.

[THEGOLDPRO]

im also going to buy another 1.6 engine and build it up, why you ask, because it will drop right back in with out changing axles, the ecu, engine mounts, tranny, and ect ect, and besides a turboed 1.6 puts out awesome power and has really good potential, i have no problem what so ever spanking MSP'S with my little 1.6, so why bother changing to a bigger engine. and besides you can find the 1.6 litre engine for like 300 bux from any junk yard.

[Drackonn]

yeah when i saw how cheap they were thats when i decided to not waste my money on the bigger engines i just need the tranny

[THEGOLDPRO]

yeah a tranny is what another 150 bux??? its a cheap conversion if you can do it yourself, or have friends that can, parts are dirt cheap.

[Drackonn]

i could figure it out ... never done it before i have friends who have done it on hondas so im sure it cant be too hard, what do i need besides the tranny? shift linkage, clutch ...

[NegatiZE]

The new lip looks awesome painted, I'm impressed.