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    2002 Protege 5 Stumbling, Gasping, Stalling

    Hi,

    I posted all this in New Member forum and thought I better move it here.

    I have a 2002 Protege 5, 2.0L that I bought new. It stays in the driveway winter and summer, no garage. Mileage is now 86,000 km, or about 53,000 miles. So it's 90% city driving, about 4500 miles per year. It had all the warranty maintenance as scheduled, and I've continued to take it in to a trusted garage for regular oil changes/checkups.

    Only major repair aside from wear and tear was a leaky fuel pump that caused the gas tank to corrode so had to replace both in 2011.

    The Problem Started about two years ago. It began to stutter and choke and gasp as you roll to a stop. Also when you're going up to 40-50 km/hr (25 or 30 mph). Sometimes it'll stall outright when idling.

    It's intermittent, not consistent. Sometimes it'll go for 4 or 5 months without doing it. Other times it happens multiple times a day.

    Happens with full tank or emptier tank.

    It has never shown an engine light.

    So Far I Have Taken it to Mazda Dealer for diagnosis. Didn't find anything. All they did was set the idle a little higher, which didn't help/hurt.

    Replaced the EGR valve. Didn't help.

    Replaced the catalytic converter. Didn't help.

    I have tried using "water-remover fluid" when I fill the tank. Thought it helped at first, but it doesn't.

    Three days ago I replaced the MAF sensor. Car seemed to be peppier, but it's still gagging.

    Yesterday (Saturday) I replaced the spark plugs and the PCV valve. Also put in a new battery (unrelated; the old one--the original, I believe--was corroded). Drove it a couple of miles, no problem.

    Other Opinions Last week I asked an online "Mazda mechanic" about it (cost $28) and he suggested either the fuel filter (although there are actually two) or the MAF sensor.)

    My trusted garage says very unlikely to be the fuel filters because a) they replaced the pump (which contains the filters) in 2011 and b) if it was fuel filters the problem would be consistent, not intermittent.

    To Continue It's not the spark plugs. Today (Sunday) I drove out to the airport and it started stumbling and gasping at 60 mph. When I got back into town it actually stalled while I was driving along at 25 mph.

    I noticed since I filled the tank three days ago the fuel gauge heading south rather quickly, and today I could smell gas as we were driving. Although not in the driveway. That says fuel pump, no? This problem did start maybe six or eight months after the pump and tank were installed in 2011. The fuel pump was constantly ruled out because it was new and I suppose because there was never any engine light and the diagnostics couldn't find it. If it is the pump, I hope to god it hasn't corroded the tank again.

    If it is the pump, do I have any hope of getting some recognition that this installed problem has already cost me a cat con, an egr valve, a MAF sensor, and a diagnostics test trying to fix it? Or am I just gonna have to pay the full cost all over again?

    Any advice, ideas much appreciated.


    Giles

    #2
    Have you ruled out all areas where you can have vacuum leaks? Air intake tube, air filter box, air inlet, all vacuum lines EGR related, checking all for cracks, blockages, etc?
    2002 Protege DX, 1974 VW Standard Beetle

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      #3
      Sounds like vacuum leak. My friend has a 626 with the 2.0 motor he had a problem with the car stalling under decel intermittently he cleaned out the IAC valve with some carb cleaner and the problem went away.

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        #4
        The air inlet hoses do crack I would check that too

        92 GT GTX Autox machine Dead and gone

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          #5
          Thanks, Jay--I'm taking it to the Mazda dealership for diagnostics on Friday--I'll ask them to check for that stuff.

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            #6
            Mazda diagnostics didn't find anything (again.) They could not duplicate the problem (again.)

            They checked for vacuum leaks but didn't find any.

            They did find an unrelated problem (needed a new oil pan.)

            They thought it was the coils and wires. Unfortunately I had a long trip coming up and didn't have time to order the parts myself. Also the two trusty garages I use were booked up, so I had to get it done at the dealership. Gah! They charged 450 bucks to change the coils and wires, which is about the easiest repair you can make on this car.

            It has helped a LOT. But the problem is not eradicated. I still get a stumble every now and again, but nothing like before. At this point, I have to suspect the fuel pump/fuel sending assembly. The problem started not long after it was installed. It's an aftermarket part installed by my trusty garage. They have consistently ruled it out as the source of the problem, but now that I've swapped out every conceivable part it seems the most likely candidate. Of course this would be an expensive repair, that I MIGHT be able to do myself (there's a good video for it), but I'm not eager to take it on. Any thoughts? Ideas?

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