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    Hey guys---Ryan's fears are definitely warranted---swaybars break (generally the endlink will fail first but...) all the time---sometimes they just run out of stress cycles but most often it's to much load the wrong way. About 15 years ago we were building control arms for Porsche 944's (I happen to be working on one today---exhaust stuff...) the evolution of what we did became a nice billet $2000 set of arms.

    So in this pic below you can see the swaybar is literally bolted right to the arm---

    While the length of the endlink is important (a longer endlink allows for more articulation/freedom of movement with less applied loads), the alignment of the endlink is the critical part. So---I'd say at ride height with the rodend portion of the endlink unbolted and the delrin or rubber bushings bolted tight to the swaybar---the hole in the tab needs to line up with the hole in the endlink and the you'll want to create spacers to bridge the gap. Now with that said, the amount of movement in the escorts under normal driving conditions is about 3 1/2" at the wheel and probably less on a lowered stiffly sprung car---at the track we see about 2-2.5" of movement---that movement ratio'd out at the swaybar is less---so we're not talking about a lot of movement/binding at the bar during normal driving conditions---this would allow some freedom to pickup the different holes on the tab to "tune" the bar or the roll couple to be more correct. As long as the endlinks are "relaxed" (as much as possbily---things can't be perfectly straight on a used car with a manufactured control arm...) as much as possibly at ride height, I'll bet the endlinks will fail years before the swaybar does.

    I think my next BG project for the summer is going to be a through body front swaybar kit---I'll post up some pic's when appropriate---I think it's probably time for some more choices in front swaybars...
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      ^That bar actually IS legal for me, come to find out, so i'll be watching for that for sure!!!!

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        what exactly is a through body swaybar?
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          Originally posted by FE3-323 View Post
          what exactly is a through body swaybar?
          I'll see if I can find a pic---it goes through the inner fender /unibody into the engine bay---above the rack someplace dodging accessories and out the other side---has an arm that bolts on to each side and then a link that goes to what ever you like---strut/arm/spindle etc...
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            I liked the explanation you gave me better... made more sense.

            I'm going to develop a front swaybar if you can wait a while---it'll be a through body (above the rack) hollow torsion bar with short arms---they'll be a weld in plate/race on each side of the inner fender well. It'll be adjustable and easily changed/inexpensive to swap out to different rates

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              so basically a nascar bar with custom brackets for our escorts? now what about the rear? lol.

              Thanks for the insight Jim. I put the rod end in the middle hole because that is where it was straight through on the sway bar hole. On level ground the sway bar tab is horizontal. Im pretty sure that this is ideal from what I have recently seen about end links
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                I couldn't find a pic on the net I liked so as cheesy as it sounds I took a pic...of a pic...you can just see where the arm bolts on to the torsion bar through the body and then you can guess that a link drops down to the control arm. That blue thing is a potentiometer that transmits arm movement to the data collection system so the engineers can see what the dampners/wheel is doing while on the track.
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                  Originally posted by MATT91GT View Post
                  so basically a nascar bar with custom brackets for our escorts? now what about the rear? lol.

                  Thanks for the insight Jim. I put the rod end in the middle hole because that is where it was straight through on the sway bar hole. On level ground the sway bar tab is horizontal. Im pretty sure that this is ideal from what I have recently seen about end links
                  Sounds great---don't be afraid to run them in the middle hole on one tab and the front or back on the other---it's not a "we need to be equal gig" at all---those half steps are sometimes necessary for tuning---in other words just because it has three holes, doesn't mean it has 3 positions on adjusability---you can get like 5 positions out of it...In a perfect world---you'd want the front bar to soften under braking/turn in to add front grip and the rear to stiffen to bring the car to neutral/oversteer to help rotate---so horizontal at rideheight is good because under brake dive it'll go into angle loosing rate/gaining grip---the rear should be at angle going to horizontal (or 90 degrees from swaybar to endlink) under braking (on FWD) gaining rate/giving away grip...that's some advanced stuff right there...!!!
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                    hmm ill have to play with that next week when the shorter bolts come in. Now i just gotta get a rear bar and then your rear arms
                    1994 Escort LX Wagon
                    2013 Hyundai Veloster Turbo
                    91 Infiniti M30 Convertible - Traded in for Veloster
                    91 EGT - Junked May 2012

                    "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian like standing in a garage doesn't make you a car."

                    "I usually downshift when I'm near a Prius so they can hear me hurting the environment"

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                      Here's another version of the arms---these are done to escort length---stubby little guys---probably work on the 4wd stuff without adding too much camber. These are super thick wall rallyproof arms...we hope...
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                        damn those are stubby looking
                        1994 Escort LX Wagon
                        2013 Hyundai Veloster Turbo
                        91 Infiniti M30 Convertible - Traded in for Veloster
                        91 EGT - Junked May 2012

                        "Going to church doesn't make you a Christian like standing in a garage doesn't make you a car."

                        "I usually downshift when I'm near a Prius so they can hear me hurting the environment"

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                          they're freakin' huge pics, so I'm just linking them instead of embedding them: here's a guy's redesign of a subaru front crossmember, using a 3/4" "nascar style" swaybar integrated into it...





                          here's another photo, showing a massive beefy 'lever-arm' attached to the splined straight rod.

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