hypothetical WRC potential?

[jay]

Cosworth doesn't go out for expertise. People go to Cosworth for expertise.
I mean sure, it's entirely expected that Cosworth looks at what others are doing, same as I do when I look for what idiots are doing, as a warning to others.

[BuGS]

They lost their nerve, forgetting that they have more motorsports heritage than any car company this side of Porsche and Ferrari, and thus they screwed the pooch. They have the engineering talent, but they didn't use it. Their best excuse is (and it's a pretty damn good one really), that they already had 2 fullon sportscars in their lineup to concentrate on and the Miata was so full of win they didn't *need* to start, or even participate in, the angry 4door sedan wars.

I think you also need to stat how much $$ was going into the RX7 development and sales. I think they looked at what car gurus wanted back in the early 90's (2 door coupes, RWD, sports cars) and they made their focus on the now, instead of the future. But I think they have really started to look to the future. I don't know about you, but Mazda3s are EVERYWHERE!!! And there are more and more cx's on the roads...

But I am sad to see that right as mazda gave up on the 4 door stuff Mitsubishi looked ahead and ran with it... I would love an EVO III or IV....

[jay]

Oh yeah baby. They put almost everything they had into the 3rdgen rx7. Even though they're delicate and expensive I still want one. They are *so* badass. That's about as close as you can get to a fullon exotic for a massproduced car, at least till the z06 came out.

[trailrider098]

Could it be argued that with the knowledge gained (technically failures) with the Mazda Factory Rally team, Cosworth/Ford picked up the ball and made a much better run with escort or was it just the awesome uber-ness that is and forever will be Cosworth?

the mazda's u speak of had absolutly NO relation with the Euro Escort or anything cosworth. however, today cosworth does work alot with the mazda 2.3L engine and the ford z-tec

[mazstar]

the mazda's u speak of had absolutly NO relation with the Euro Escort or anything cosworth. however, today cosworth does work alot with the mazda 2.3L engine and the ford z-tec

the mazda 2.3 is the volvo 2.3 as well as the ford 2.3 thats a bit like the town bike of all engines, everyones had a piece lol, hey jay do ya know if xtrac still make the 6 speed gearboxes thatl fit the bpd? i was thinking of dropping 8g just to get some good reliability out of her.

EDIT:saying that,now expecting a p/m from him trying buy the old one from me lol

[trailrider098]

they still make a rally gearbox, and they will make the bellhousing to fit but where and when u find it for 8,000 let me know cause ill take two. Ive done alot of research on this and you gotta also remember u will need the rear transfer case/PTO drive, rear differential and a custom driveshaft and axles, all of which are sold seperatly from the transmission... now on the xtrac website they will not even give you the price for a rally box but they will tell u a full rebuild on one costs 8,000-9,000UK or $11,448-$12,878USD alone...

a very realistic estimate on installing a xtrac SYSTEM(cause its not just a transmission) would be around $29-33,000 USD. that would include transmission, PTO/rear transfer, oil coolers, shifting mechinism, rear diff, 4 axles, driveshaft, fabrication of bellhousing, mockup, and installation.


st205 GT4 4 U

[jay]

XTRAC are not meant for inhabitants of this planet (Earth). They are meant for the inhabitants of Planet Dubbleyooarecee, Planet Alms, and some of the planets in the Filthyrichbastard system. Not here.

[pikespeakgtx]

You can also add Xtrac hubs to that list.


I've seen a GTX with a used xtrac driveline sell for around 20 grand USD.

That would probably be your best bet at finding a complete xtrac driveline thats affordable. Buy an ex-rally car already done.


On the other hand you can buy a RX-7 with a Zo6 motor in it for 22 grand.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/cto/1092483760.html

[jay]

yeah that gtx comes up every now and again. No interest in spending that much in a car that old no materr what the gearbox is.
heh... in doing some searching into going with an evo trans, I found an outfit that sells xtrac. Their price to put an xtrac system in your evo? 80,000 pounds sterling. yeah. Close enough to 115 grand US.

now if you'll excuse me, I need some, um, private time whilst I look over that there z06 FD rx7 Craigslist ad...

You bastard for posting that pron hee hee

[BuGS]

the mazda's u speak of had absolutly NO relation with the Euro Escort or anything cosworth. however, today cosworth does work alot with the mazda 2.3L engine and the ford z-tec

Whoever has seen a LHD rally Cosworth Raise their hand!

**raises hand and smiles at the memories of Finland and those sweet, sweet cars....**

I miss suomi....

[mazstar]

mind you i can get an adapter kit for 2g at the mo and another 2g for the parts the im sorted however not 2 keen for a toyota box i wonder how much the mazda rally box is.....who's a member of the mazdaspeed website over there that can ring up for a quote for a rally box?

edit link: http://www.mazdamotorsports.com/pdfs...ansmission.pdf

[trailrider098]

mind you i can get an adapter kit for 2g at the mo and another 2g for the parts the im sorted however not 2 keen for a toyota box i wonder how much the mazda rally box is.....who's a member of the mazdaspeed website over there that can ring up for a quote for a rally box?

edit link: http://www.mazdamotorsports.com/pdfs...ansmission.pdf

what is this Mazda Rally box? Even the non factory teams either swapped to Xtrac or stuck with the stock box. the only "rare" transmissions that mazda had for our cars were the GTR box and the rare er GTAe box, and the only things that made them different were the shot peened 2nd and 3rd gears and shorter ratios

[BuGS]

mind you i can get an adapter kit for 2g at the mo and another 2g for the parts the im sorted however not 2 keen for a toyota box i wonder how much the mazda rally box is.....who's a member of the mazdaspeed website over there that can ring up for a quote for a rally box?

edit link: http://www.mazdamotorsports.com/pdfs...ansmission.pdf

from the PDF it looks like those are for RX7s and Miatas... not GTXs but I will check for you if I can.

[therieldeal]

the GTR had shot peened 1st and 2nd, not 2nd and 3rd.

[mazstar]

Replacement parts for the following transmissions are also available.
Complete transmissions must be special ordered. Please call for information
and pricing.
1) 5-speed Competition Overdrive transmission for rotary applications
(complete transmission no longer available).
2) PBS GLC & 323 FWD (dog ring) transmission.
3) 323 GTX & GTR rally transmission.

bottom of t-3 it can be found ya just didnt look hard enough =P, duno what the box will be like im hopeing for something like a chromoly case, and adimantium inturnals lol