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    Howto: Mod Crown Vic 1680cc injectors for a BP

    Materials
    8 x Mazda BP o-rings (fuel rail side)
    Flat head screwdriver
    Router + grinding disc, optional sandpaper belt, polishing stone



    Some Ford Crown Victorias ran such large capacity injectors to accommodate alternative fuels, commonly CNG (compressed natural gas). The injectors are made by Bosch and are identified by a black body with a baby blue, grey, white, or burgundy top. These injectors were also available in most Ford trucks. Remanufactured and rebranded units use all sorts of colors, some (like RC Eng) use their own body shell to try to further differentiate themselves. The injectors we're looking for were offered in CNG configured models from 1996 and up, and were also available on the E-250 & E-350 Econoline, some F-150 & F-250s, and other commercial Ford vehicles. I picked some up from Pick n Pull for less than a crisp $20 and bought a hot dog with the change.

    Note: the orange units used in these pics were some extras I pulled from PaP to experiment on. Other than color and flow capacity, they are the same.

    Alright, first let's compare our subject injector to a stock 323GTR injector (on right).



    The mods performed are simple. The O-ring that fits into the fuel rail on the Ford-fitted Bosch units is too large, and we need to grind some plastic off to ensure enough of the injector fits in the fuel rail. Take off the O-ring using the screw driver as needed.

    I started shaving off material on the top injector.


    Next, use the cutting disc and/or sandpaper belt to grind down the plastic, up to the second groove. You want to shave it so that it's slightly slimmer than the Mazda BP o-rings we will later fit. Don't go too small, this part of the injector helps keep it stable inside the fuel rail. Shaving too much material will allow it to wiggle and potentially break the seal holding back ~50psi of fuel. Be careful not to puncture the metal, this may also lead to an engine bay fire.

    Bosch units using EV1 injector harness connector


    Next, use the polishing stone to round-off any bulges, sharp edges, or stray pieces of plastic that can dislodge into the fuel rail or interfere with the seal of the o-rings. Once it's smoothed and debarbed, slip on two Mazda BP o-rings in place of the old one.


    Test-fit the injector in your fuel rail. Compare it to a stock unit to make sure they both completely fit the fuel rail. Check for injector play, they should be snug like the stock units. If they aren't, you shaved too much plastic away.

    Upgraded Vishnu fuel rail, modified Bosche 1680cc, RC Engineering 550cc, stock 323GT-R 460cc


    RC Engineering 550cc, modified Bosche 1680cc, stock 323GT-R 460cc (missing o-ring)



    Sources
    Single Turbo RX-7's - Anyone using the $28 1680cc Injectors ? - They're remans but my last 1680cc injectors from http://www.fiveomotorsport.com were also remans. I paid $120 for a pair last time for my FD. But, I've now found several places that sell them for $28 each with a $10 core. So, $38 each out the door. I need...

    RX7 fuel system upgrade for 1600cc Bosch injectors and secondary fuel rail modification for the Mazda RX7. This is for 1600CC Bosch injectors at 160 lb/hour flow.



    Where to buy
    RockAuto ships auto parts and body parts from over 300 manufacturers to customers' doors worldwide, all at warehouse prices. Easy to use parts catalog.



    Last edited by Crazy Drummer69; 09-27-2010, 04:55 AM.

    1993 Mazda Familia GTR - work log

    #2
    WTF do you need 1680cc injectors??? Ya plannin on running F1 boost levels or something?
    '90 AWD Protege, full GTR drivetrain swap, ~320 whp daily driver, RIP, and
    '90 AWD Protege, yet another GTR swap, Open class rallycar with a Toyota GT4 gearbox swap, thus crossing the line between hobby and mental illness. And a Brabus E55 K8, removing all doubt.
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      #3
      SAFC tuned for 1% duty cycle. =]

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        #4
        e85?
        "Discontent is the first necessity of progress."
        -Thomas A. Edison

        "There is a fine line between ballin' on a budget, and dreamin' on an empty wallet."


        *Junked* 92 mx3, BP swap- milage whore, beaten up and down the east coast
        *Junked* KLZE powered 323 on Megasquirt 1
        172.60HP & 156.93 TQ with only headers and short ram intake. back under the knife for a BPT swap.
        New Daily stock 1.6L 1999 Mazda Protege LX

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          #5
          check his work log, he's doing a compound turbo setup on the gtr w/ a yoda drivetrain.
          -Jack

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            #6
            still.. Unless your running a jet turbo or e85 you don't need 1680cc's..
            -Steve

            94' Protege < Worklog<SOLD!
            VF10 powered!
            262 Whp & 257 Wtq
            13.1@107

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              #7
              stock 1680cc injectors? is there only 2 of these injectors in the C.V. engine? Today I was working on a F-150 (5.4L V8 2002) and it had the same style injectors, I wonder how many CCs were those... and it had 8 of them

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                #8
                By my math, seeing what 550's support at least in my case, all else being equal, these monsters should provide safe margin fuel to 60lb boost.
                Golly.
                I'd be curious to see what breaks first!
                '90 AWD Protege, full GTR drivetrain swap, ~320 whp daily driver, RIP, and
                '90 AWD Protege, yet another GTR swap, Open class rallycar with a Toyota GT4 gearbox swap, thus crossing the line between hobby and mental illness. And a Brabus E55 K8, removing all doubt.
                http://www.wihandyman.com/forum/vbpi...?do=view&g=110
                http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2599486

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                  #9
                  Do you know what pressure they run for the 1680cc rating?

                  This would be a cheap set of injectors. Who cares if you need em that big.

                  Great writeup.
                  AWD EGT BUILD http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/sho...-AWD-EGT-Build

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                    #10
                    well with your setup you could probably get away with it haha.

                    afaik most injectors are tested at around 42-43psi...but these might be different.
                    -Jack

                    ONTARIO MAZDA CLUB! Join! https://www.facebook.com/groups/500055016671733/

                    91 626 LX - basically stock and pretty slow still
                    http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/sho...my-GD-626-LX-)

                    01 E53 3.0i - FOR SALE! pm if interested

                    91 USDM Protege LX - SOLD! turbo/manifold up for sale!
                    http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46606

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                      #11
                      The only thing I would worry about is getting them to idle properly.

                      I'm gonna look around for a set of these at the pull it this weekend.
                      AWD EGT BUILD http://www.clubprotege.com/forum/sho...-AWD-EGT-Build

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                        #12
                        wow. just wow. so they are e85 compatible? wow.

                        if you have problems getting them to idle they could also be used as secondary injectors..in case you happen to have a space shuttle engine or something that is running a little lean on takeoff...
                        Last edited by vtec-this; 10-26-2010, 10:44 AM.

                        S197 Mustang GT Convertible The New DD. (Ford Racing 3.73/JLT CAI/SCT SF3 Tuner/Ford Racing Exhaust)
                        2009 Nissan Rogue SL AWD Maximus Tractionous Wifeymobilious
                        Previous ~ 235whp 1.8 BP Powered 2003 MazdaSpeed Protege ~ - Sold

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Mazda_Powered View Post
                          well with your setup you could probably get away with it haha.

                          afaik most injectors are tested at around 42-43psi...but these might be different.
                          Correct, industry standard test pressure is 1bar/100kpa/43.5psi. For whatever reason Ford tends to use a slightly lower pressure -about 41psi. Regardless, these injectors are simply too big to be useful with gasoline at any pressure. With that said, the same modification procedure applies to any EV1-generation Bosch injector. So, if you find some 315 - 550cc, you're good to go.

                          Btw, anybody who needs injectors is welcome to ask me. I've always got'm around because it's my business specialty. In fact, there are 4x 630cc Mazda-specific (B6T) injectors on my shelf right now. Any takers?
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                            #14
                            so basically if you have an ems that can control 2 sets of injectors, you could keep primary injectors stock, have these come in once the first set gets near their limits, and then have sufficient fueling for what? over 800whp? (1650 x 4 + 330gtx x 4) seems like alot of head room for next to no money lol

                            even more badass would be a seperate fuel system for the secondary injectors with a seperate fuel tank that has e85. That way when you are putting around town you are just burning 91 octane and when you wanna have fun the e85 kicks in with high boost.
                            Last edited by vtec-this; 10-27-2010, 09:37 AM.

                            S197 Mustang GT Convertible The New DD. (Ford Racing 3.73/JLT CAI/SCT SF3 Tuner/Ford Racing Exhaust)
                            2009 Nissan Rogue SL AWD Maximus Tractionous Wifeymobilious
                            Previous ~ 235whp 1.8 BP Powered 2003 MazdaSpeed Protege ~ - Sold

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                              #15
                              megasquirt can do a 2nd injection map

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