I guess I'm hard to impress. If you guys think it's impressive to be like thousands of other guys doing motor swaps, putting 200hp engines into 1800lb cars, why don't you go out and do it? I guess I'm the only one more impressed by hard work, ingenuity and a well thought out build.....the only one that's impressed by taking a car that didn't have a lot of power, and making it scream.
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If your hard to impress then that is most likely your business. Any car that weighs 1800 lbs is impressive to me, then when a engine is in the car that can have an output in the 200hp area... That creats another impressive combination.
Sometimes you may be viewed like everyone else on the outside, but be unique to those within the circle. These cars aren't famous for no reason.
You tend to make me think that a lot of the 240's aren't impressive...
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Every magazine I pick up has engine swaps, with guys putting in H22As and B16As in CRXs and Civic DXs. For once I'd like to see a guy make 140whp out of a D15, or like I said, 190hp out of a standard B18A, without the hybrid stuff. I still appreciate what Honda did from the factory, and I'm a firm believer that them, BMW and Ferrari are the only awesome engine building manufacturers out there. There's no doubt that the B18C5 isn't one of the most impressive engines ever made. And there's no doubt the CRX HF is one of the lightest cars made in the past 15 years. So when some 16 year old kid has some local shop put a B18C5 he bought off E-Bay with the money his grandparents gave him for graduating grade 8, into his $500 dollar CRX and does high 12s with absolutely no modifications; sorry, I'm not impressed. Is a 12 second all-motor CRX impressive? It used to be. Is it original in any way whatsoever? Not one bit.
You don't understand my point that there's nothing impressive about doing what everyone else is doing, and not even having to research, think or engineer anything. The same way a GTX powered Protege is no longer impressive. Would a GTX powered Protege that's making 400whp because the owner spent the time and energy to make it work right be impressive? Definitely.
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Originally posted by Gen1GT240s?
Every magazine I pick up has engine swaps, with guys putting in H22As and B16As in CRXs and Civic DXs. For once I'd like to see a guy make 140whp out of a D15, or like I said, 190hp out of a standard B18A, without the hybrid stuff. I still appreciate what Honda did from the factory, and I'm a firm believer that them, BMW and Ferrari are the only awesome engine building manufacturers out there. There's no doubt that the B18C5 isn't one of the most impressive engines ever made. And there's no doubt the CRX HF is one of the lightest cars made in the past 15 years. So when some 16 year old kid has some local shop put a B18C5 he bought off E-Bay with the money his grandparents gave him for graduating grade 8, into his $500 dollar CRX and does high 12s with absolutely no modifications; sorry, I'm not impressed. Is a 12 second all-motor CRX impressive? It used to be. Is it original in any way whatsoever? Not one bit.
You don't understand my point that there's nothing impressive about doing what everyone else is doing, and not even having to research, think or engineer anything. The same way a GTX powered Protege is no longer impressive. Would a GTX powered Protege that's making 400whp because the owner spent the time and energy to make it work right be impressive? Definitely.
Now as for the people that go out and work for their cars and plan building their cars. Those that work 9 -5's and 6-10's to make their money for parts... Kinda like I do.
There are way more honda guys that wrench on their own cars and install their own parts and test their own cars than you think. Give those guys a little more credit. Not every Honda is trying to be like the bunch.
Shoot I do everyday.Last edited by bruce95fmla; 10-25-2004, 07:18 AM.
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Originally posted by 1ofdfew323Josh, at your point of view. Is it impressive that I sold my civic and bought a 323 and swap a BP w/ nos and pushing roughly 150-160 hp at the wheels? Or No because I did the swap and squeezing nitrous?
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I think him having the Nitrous in his car is impressive. I guess I say this because own a 323 with similar mods, but with heavier wheels and a weaker clutch and the car is frigin fast.. no joking .. or should I say quick. I know fast is more reserved for high speeds.
I just hope you (1ofdfew) takes the time to tune your motor with that nitrous ( I keep typing NOS) and get your motor and the bottle in tune. That way you will know what is going on when you are pressing that button. At least with a little dyno time and a wideband you will know wheather or not you have take out a little timing or add a little timing.
I think it is better to know where you stand with your air fuel ratio, when you are messing with these "power adders" and high powered N/A cars.
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No, If I am not mistaken (but will be finding out) you have to read the maps from the Dyno graph and the a/f plot. From that you can tell what action you have to take. If you are running lean somewhere , you will know that you have to either pull some timing or add some fuel. Maybe both.
Talking with tuners and guys on this board like Gen1GT who have done a lot of dyno's would help you with these issues.
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no updates yet, but I just installed Apex 2.5" downpipe and Greddy boost controller today, and at 11psi the car is noticeably faster. I'm thinking if I can get traction I should be in the med to low 14's, I'm pretty stoked about that. Now I just need some tuning.2003.5 Titanium MSP; Autometer Ultra-lite boost and A/F gauges; Autometer guage pod; custom 3" exhaust dumped over rear axle (no muffler); Apex 2.5" downpipe; Greddy Manual Boost Controller; Hidden Hitch; Dunlop FM901 tires; white headlight strobes
talk to Cullen and tell him that I sent you
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Originally posted by Gen1GTUpdate: 15.481@88.33
15.4 on aprotege
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