Mazda 6 = suckage

[jnorion]

but it's not showing up on EVERY car either. Generalizing the whole line based on a comparatively small percentage of owners that have major problems is statistically irrelevant.

Even if it doesn't show up on every car, if a lot of people have problems, or even just some have problems right away, it's enough to make you consider whether to buy one or not. Maybe all of them are lemons, but that's still quite a few lemons to think about.

[funkdaddysmack]

but it's not showing up on EVERY car either. Generalizing the whole line based on a comparatively small percentage of owners that have major problems is statistically irrelevant.

So since I know someone that had a kia for 2 years without any problems, that makes all kias reliable?

I love mazda, but they aren't the god of all car manufacturers. I think you need to step off the mazda high horse and realize that they can produce and sell a car that has some flaws in it's first production year

[JesseSays]

its the first year of a brand new car....of course there will be problems. That's why you don't buy the first year...

anyway... umm, minivans aren't usually muc heavier than the sedan they're based on. It's a big hollow box... so if its got 230 hp or whatever, of course it'll be quick.

[ZoomZoomH]

So since I know someone that had a kia for 2 years without any problems, that makes all kias reliable?

I love mazda, but they aren't the god of all car manufacturers. I think you need to step off the mazda high horse and realize that they can produce and sell a car that has some flaws in it's first production year

mazda gave me a horse?

I thought they sell cars (some of which have had some quality control issues in its first year, but shouldn't be condemned forever just because of it)

[Boricua]

ok, first of all, the car is made here in the states. now, no offense to anybody, but i prefer my mazda to be made in JAPAN! that could be a reason why certain things are not working properly. secondly, the V6 powerplant is a ford engine = piece of crap, at least IMO. besides the output of that motor is only 220hp and 192ft/lb with a weight of 3,241 lbs. now if you consider the power to weight ratio, and the torque, it isn't all that good for straight line driving. now, the I4 model has a MAZDA made engine that puts out 160hp and 155ft/lb with a weight of 3,045 lbs, making it 200 lbs lighter and having only 37 ft/lb less torque than the V6. also, there were people in the 6, which means more weight.

[ZoomZoomH]

I wouldn't bash the V6 that much, as only the block is sourced from Ford, rest of the engine is all-Mazda design.

Heck, even the Duratec block itself was outsourced to Cosworth by Ford for the design!

oh, and if you search deep enough, you'll find out that even the 4cyl's block came from Ford as well (a 'Duratec' as well, mind you)

[funkdaddysmack]

Oh yea I found out that someone did a dyno on their 6 with the v6 and put down about 163-168whp. I think that was even 5spd

[Identity_X]

Oh yea I found out that someone did a dyno on their 6 with the v6 and put down about 163-168whp. I think that was even 5spd

Ouch! Got a link th where you read about this?

[funkdaddysmack]

Ouch! Got a link th where you read about this?

I could look for it, but my friends who own the car had told me about it a few months ago. I can't remember the exact number, but it was around like a 25% drivetrain loss. I'll see if I can find a dyno, maybe they know where it's at.

[JProtege]

didnt the rx-8s have the same problem? and that mazda even offered some of the customers who bought them to buy them back because they weren't putting out the stated hp?

[Boricua]

well, there you go!

[ZoomZoomH]

didnt the rx-8s have the same problem? and that mazda even offered some of the customers who bought them to buy them back because they weren't putting out the stated hp?

i don't consider it a 'problem' (nothing wrong with the car)

it's just a misstated number on paper.

[funkdaddysmack]

i don't consider it a 'problem' (nothing wrong with the car)

it's just a misstated number on paper.

Not only that but it's hard to get a good dyno number, apparently mazda has some trickery in the ECU that if the front wheels aren't spinning, it doesn't put out maximum hp. That's what I've heard anyway.

[ZoomZoomH]

i guess a 32-bit ECU is just a bit too smart for dynos to fool eh?

[funkdaddysmack]

i guess a 32-bit ECU is just a bit too smart for dynos to fool eh?

Apparently. I LOVE riding in my friends 8... Doesn't matter if it has 180whp or not, it's pretty quick, and the handling is awesome, not to mention the sound... And the stage 2 ECU mod that's being developed is going to give 45whp! Not bad for $1300 (w/ midpipe) drool drool drool drool drool