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    Denso TT and NGK DFE Spark Plugs: An Interesting New Design

    Background
    When a spark plug fires, the plasma discharge ignites the A/F mixture between and near the electrodes. This creates a spherical flame front that propagates outward into the combustion chamber. At first, the flame front moves very slowly because of its small original size, and because it does not generate enough energy to quickly heat the surrounding gases. Consequently, the cylinder pressure does not rise very quickly and very little compression heating takes place. Since it's not the actual electricity, or spark, that ignites the A/F mixture but rather the heat energy generated by the discharge, it's desirable to have as little of that heat as possible re-absorbed by the center and ground electrodes and the ceramic insulator. Additionally, the larger the center and ground electrodes, the more confined the spherical flame front and the more difficult for it to move outward into the combustion chamber to intiate the flame propagation phase. This phenomenon is referred to as "quench."

    To reduce quench, spark plug manufacturers have resorted to various techniques. Denso has used a U-Groove ground electrode, NGK a V-Groove center electrode design, and tapered and cut-back ground electrodes are also employed. The use of platinum and iridium with their greater hardness and higher melting point temperatures than nickel alloy has made possible fine wire center and ground electrodes. By reducing the contact (surface) area between the electrodes and the flame front, quenching is reduced. The latest method employs fine wire ground electrodes. The intent is to increase the space between the electrodes without increasing the plug gap.

    Denso
    This maker calls its new design TT, which stands for Twin-Tip. It consists of a 1.1 mm platinum alloy center electrode and a 1.5 mm titanium-enhanced alloy free-standing firing pad (tip) laser welded to the ground strap.

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    Diagram from Denso comparing conventional ground electrode with TT type. Illustrates increased space between electrodes, reducing quench, while maintaining same plug gap.

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    Denso TT plug as used in 2.0 L FS-DE engine.

    Denso calls this a minimum quench electrode design and claims improved fuel economy, faster starts and enhanced flame propagation for increased engine efficiency.

    Apparently, production has advanced to the point of fairly complete availability including types designated for all Proteges.

    The unparalleled Iridium TT spark plug is tested to last well beyond 100,000 miles, with minimal loss to performance.


    NGK
    NGK's offering is known as DFE, which stands for Double Fine Electrode. It's constructed with an iridium center electrode and an iridium ground electrode (tip) laser welded to the ground strap.

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    NGK DFE Plug. Note tapered ground strap as well as fine wire ground electrode.

    The manufacturer claims ultra high ignitability and increased service life compared with their current offerings. NGK points out that DFE spark plugs are manufactured in accordance with OEM requirements and, as such, only a limited range is available to suit specific applications. So for the present, they are not yet available for our cars.


    Happy Motoring!
    Last edited by goldstar; 04-02-2012, 07:49 AM.
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    #2
    Anyone else nervous about having that welded on electrode falling off? Tiny tiny weld between dissimilar metals. Inside the chambers. No thanks... Not till it's deadnuts proven they stay put.
    '90 AWD Protege, full GTR drivetrain swap, ~320 whp daily driver, RIP, and
    '90 AWD Protege, yet another GTR swap, Open class rallycar with a Toyota GT4 gearbox swap, thus crossing the line between hobby and mental illness. And a Brabus E55 K8, removing all doubt.
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      #3
      Not nervous at all. On conventional precious metal plugs, the platinum or iridium center electrodes are laser welded to the copper core and the platinum alloy pads are laser welded to the nickel alloy ground strap. This is well established technology and not to be feared. This is why NGK refers to their conventional platinum/platinum plugs as Laser Platinum types and their conventional iridium/platinum plugs as Laser Iridium types.

      Happy Motoring!
      Last edited by goldstar; 03-31-2012, 11:38 AM.
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        #4
        Weeeelllll, Ok maybe. But I didn't see any difference tween standard ngk and platinum/iridium.. It does make sense to unshroud the spark area as much as possible.
        '90 AWD Protege, full GTR drivetrain swap, ~320 whp daily driver, RIP, and
        '90 AWD Protege, yet another GTR swap, Open class rallycar with a Toyota GT4 gearbox swap, thus crossing the line between hobby and mental illness. And a Brabus E55 K8, removing all doubt.
        http://www.wihandyman.com/forum/vbpi...?do=view&g=110
        http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2599486

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          #5
          I hope NGK makes those for us soon. I want to try them out. And I'm not worried about it at all. They wouldn't produce/sell them if they would cause problems.

          Are there any companies that make a sideways electrode? What I mean is basically turn the electrodes 90* so that the flame front can move straight down instead of at an angle/around the ground strap. If that makes any sense. Maybe it's been tried before unsuccessfully, I don't know.

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          Maybe this quick Microsoft Paint drawing will help show what I'm saying.
          Last edited by irishkev90; 03-31-2012, 01:14 PM.

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            #6
            Originally posted by jay View Post
            Weeeelllll, Ok maybe. But I didn't see any difference tween standard ngk and platinum/iridium.. It does make sense to unshroud the spark area as much as possible.
            Both the standard NGK and Denso plugs have a rather thick center electrode in order to provide a reasonable life expectancy for the nickel alloy material (30,000 miles in the Protege according to the FSM). Due to their greater density and hardness and higher melting points, the platinum, and even more so the iridium center electrodes can be made much smaller in diameter (fine wire) than the nickel alloy types (meaning less shrouding and reduced propensity to quench) and still maintain their specs and provide a much longer service life than is possible with nickel alloy (75,000 miles in the 3 with the specified iridium/platinum plugs according to the FSM).

            Happy Motoring!
            Last edited by goldstar; 03-31-2012, 01:23 PM.
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              #7
              Bosch made a plug with 4 groundstraps that pretty much forced the spark sideways kinda like your drawing. Didn't notice a difference running them in my cars though. I use em in my chainsaw as they don't foul easily and I generally use old or cheap gas in it.
              '90 AWD Protege, full GTR drivetrain swap, ~320 whp daily driver, RIP, and
              '90 AWD Protege, yet another GTR swap, Open class rallycar with a Toyota GT4 gearbox swap, thus crossing the line between hobby and mental illness. And a Brabus E55 K8, removing all doubt.
              http://www.wihandyman.com/forum/vbpi...?do=view&g=110
              http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2599486

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                #8
                Originally posted by irishkev90 View Post
                I hope NGK makes those for us soon. I want to try them out. And I'm not worried about it at all. They wouldn't produce/sell them if they would cause problems.

                Are there any companies that make a sideways electrode? What I mean is basically turn the electrodes 90* so that the flame front can move straight down instead of at an angle/around the ground strap. If that makes any sense. Maybe it's been tried before unsuccessfully, I don't know.

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                Maybe this quick Microsoft Paint drawing will help show what I'm saying.
                If I'm understanding you correctly, NGK does make a number of plugs similar to your principle. They apparently are mostly for specialized use. I assume that they hold no advantage for normal automotive use or NGK would already have listed them in that category. I'm not so sure downward firing would be an advantage since after the initial firing of the A/F kernel around the electrodes, further combustion would proceed by heat transferrance alone. In any case you can view them at:

                Then, click on the categories surface discharge, Semi-Surface Discharge, Intermittant Discharge, Supplementary Gap, and Multi-Ground.

                Happy Motoring!
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                MP3 Strut Tower Bar kit; Cusco Front Lower Arm Tie Bar
                MSP Springs, Struts, Stabilizer Bars, Trailing Links, #3 Engine Mount
                Kartboy Stabilizer Bar Bushings; Nyloil Shifter Bushings; Red Line MT-90 Gear Oil
                MP3 Shifter, Knob and Aluminum Pedal Set
                Suvlights HD Wiring Harness; Osram Night Breaker H4 Bulbs; Exide Edge AGM Battery
                Summer: 5Zigen FN01R-C 16 x 7" Wheels; Yoko S.drive 205/45-16s
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                Modified OEM Air Intake; Racing Beat Exhaust System; Techna-Fit SS Clutch Line
                Denso SKJ16CR-L11 Extended Tip Spark Plugs; Magnecor Wires
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