My FE3 progress thread

[bradsescort]

the H series trans was used in the 90-92 probe LX and 88-92 probe gt and 88-92 mx6/626gt's. those are the only car's that used them. the one he is using is from the 88-92 gt's. its the only thing that bolts right up to the fe3 other then the weaker G series that was on the 2.2n/a's

ah i see.. for some reason this post made me think it wasn't out of those vehicles.. mainly cause he called it a f2t trans (which is accurate tho..)

Steve, its already cleaned up. Im going to toss the F2T flywheel & a spec stage 3+ on it(soon as i can get the clutch) & drop it into the car with the F2T transmission
the FE3 is late 80's early 90's pretty close to the BP era but a little before

there was never a mazda FE3 in the states.

ah i see.. well besides the bf chassis 323 having the fe3.. which a-spec j-spec etc have it? anyone else know

there is no such thing as a F2t header. only thing they have is the stock cast piece. they have less aftermarket then escorts. lol

that sucks lol.. i wonder where he picked that header up from.. maybe a 4g63? lol it's what some of the cvh guys do.. flip 4g63t manifold/header... redrill/slot out a few spots and bolts right up.. no restriction at the ports as the 4g63 ports are more oval than the D ports on our cvh's.. (sorry for sorta being offtopic)


jinx: sucks about that fe3t going to the crapper.. hope he was able to salvage some of his forged parts from that sewing machine..

[jinx]

Its hard to say what happened to it really.. all I know is that it sounded like **** at the end of the day.

[FE3-323]

the FE3 motor issues @ the flyrtle dyno.... the dowel pin in the exhaust cam sheer off allowing the cam to do what it wanted/ thats was the cause of failure. its never been seen before with the FE3 so its had to say its cause.

Yeah it looked as though you had a lot of room anyway with that BG subframe in the back trans mount next to the firewall.. why'd you risk so much subframe integrity.. I don't mean to be a gawk, but that weld being at a 90 degree angle doesn't offer much 'fold in' resistance than the rounded off ness... now that tie bar looks like money and if you didn't have that I would think you were mad lol

im not worried about the subframe structural integrity. Take 1 look @ the AWD BG variant & you'll immediately understand why. anyhow that piece is IMHO ALOT stronger then it looks. plus previous spot welded areas are seamwelded. its a strong piece.

i cut the subframe for extra clearance for both the H box & the toyota trans/AWD coming in the future. The same reasoning follows for the framerail.

nice work on the header turbo manifold man..

it is a 4g63 manifold modified to work. its far from perfect, but it certainly flows for what it needs to.

what is the difference between the f2 and fe3 blocks

F2/t Vs. FE3 block
Very few changes:
block height is higher in the F2 blocks
oil feed/drain are slightly different between the 2.
IT IS POSSIBLE TO USE A FE3 HEAD ON A F2 block. but it requires some serious professional welding/machining/modifying- these things out weigh its benifit for the most part.

any idea what you can do for oil squirters to the bottom of the piston wrist pin area for when you crank up the boost/temps

FE3 motors have oil squirters factory.

I really didn't see much wrong with the kia fe3 you have.. besides being a little bit rough in the fe3n cylinder head with the casting.. are you saying that the block could be cast with more impurities (causing more of a risk for iron structural failure with increase cylinder wall loading) w/ kia than with the mazda varient?

in terms of the kia block. i have a few reasons why im not using it. i'll keep those to myself tho.
in terms of block or head quality Vs. mazda-its near impossible to say whether kia is a cheaper design/material. i've seen several variations in the kia sportage heads/manifolds. im not sure if this is year change or trim related as i haven't really researched it.


please direct your other questions to the FE3 questions thread

[MK1gGT-Rob]

Called poor tuning if you ask me. After he dyno'd it, the engine sounded like a rock tumbler lol..

the fe3 at flyrtle, you must be referring to isaac and the red probe. it definitely was not a tuning issue. he had missed a shift and over-revved, but it didn't come apart right away. still can't beat 340 hp from a box of rocks.

[jinx]

Never said it wasn't nice or anything Ryan needs to get his finished already!

[FE3-323]

rethinking possible coolant & oil routing with influence from the F2T block.....

Also fairly certain i can up with a cleaner oil feed line then what i had previously thought. Keeping it all SS line from the back of the motor to the turbo.

I'll update again once i tear into my spare kia block & figure options for various area's to tap the block.

[bradsescort]

dremel
tap
while car is idlign
if u strike gold then u will see , begin brushing teeth with this and rinse thoroughly

lawl out lawl

who am i kidding.. why don't you just use a oil filter adaptor to run your fittings to? also can run an oil cooler this way too if you know what you are doing

[monoxidechild]

T off the existing oil pressure sending unit at the rear of the block. very easy.

[FE3-323]

Oil isn't the problem. coolant is!!

im using the F2T SS line from the back of the block around the side & to the turbo. I have proper fittings to do so(this took me awhile of searching to find the right pieces)

for a $1000+ turbo. its important to me that i keep it oil/water. shortly it extents the life of the charger 2 fold- having the additional cooling.

For those follwing along... heres a bunch of good info from mx6.com

coolant-routing-to-turbo









^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^click link

[monoxidechild]

coolants just as easy. use a f2t coolant pipe for the coolant feed. and tap the block for the return. or just take advantage of the coolant set up going to the throttle body. you could even T into your heater core lines if you wanted.

[FE3-323]

jesse says not to use the F2T pipe as its too low & also the coolant output points right into the thermostat housing.

I plan to take my kia block & knock out some of the freeze plugs & feel where i can tap near them. i have an idea already but i'll check it out first

[monoxidechild]

nope. coolant outlet doesnt come anywhere close to the thermostat housing. its over a foot away. def not an issue there.

here's a old pic of an old motor build i did where you can see the feed im talking about.



but no reason tapping a freeze plug wouldnt work also. like i said. there's tons of different options to go. its just picking which one you want to do.

[FE3-323]

click the Mx6 link i posted.... you'll see the picture showing the F2T pipe right into the thermostat housing....

unless you have another picture proving it fits???????
im not going to tap into freeze plug itself. i thought about that. just brazing in a nipple outlet but id rather not distort the freeze plug & have issues down the road

[FE3-323]

Pat. i fixed the mx6 link^^^^^ see my previous post.

heres a copy of the picture to explain. i believe your thinking of the lower outlet.

[FE3-323]

Assembled one rear strut with the H&R protege lowering spring & its cusco upper strut mount
Added braces to the turbo manifold from flange to flange
Tomorrow- Misc engine work