Drift suspension

[Derekson]

uhhh cause my front suspension is shot. Why are you still stuck on this "rallying" thing... I only mentioned it once.

lol I just wanted to know what kinda suspension I should go for if the primary focus of the vehicle is to be "drifting", "power-sliding", "e-braking", "doin donuts", and generally getting bent on gravel, dirt, ice, snow, o ra combination of all of the above.

Wasn't supposed to turn into a big thing but thanks for all the feedback ^_^

peace

[SmackDaddy]

Fact

Drifting is a controlled skid, period.

Wether that 'skid' is induced with inertia, throttle, the e-brake or a combination of those three, as long as it's controlled, its 'drifting'.

A powerslide is throttle induced oversteer(hence the 'power'), you cannot do this in a FWD. How do you all not know this? I am genuinely not trying to be an ass, but I consider this to be a pretty basic point, its like not knowing the difference between under- and over-steer.

A powerslide is the most rudimentary form of drifting, any jackhole can mash the gas pedal at the exit of the turn.

On the other hand ...

Pitching your car sideways, 40 feet before the turn, going 60-70 kph, in a couple of inches of snow, requires more control IMHO.

Are you going to win a D1 event in a FWD? Uh no. RWD cars have more ability to control their slip angle with the throttle, and have a natural advantage.

The earth isn't flat, nor at the centre of the universe, and we evolved from primates.

If you have a problem with any of these statements, look it up before spouting off.

[93SuperScort]

Drifting or whatever u prefer to call it in a FWD is a lot slower. If u watch the vid u can see how much the ebrake slows u down, cause ur draggin tires, not spinnin them

[Protoss]

the escort GT and protege lx are both designed to oversteer

i am going to quote a good friend here:
"Next time, drop your pants, so your voice wont be muffled when you talk out of your ass."
~Chris D.

what is next... the argument that you can powerslide a FWD in reverse?

[lscrx]

I can oversteer (i don't even like the word "drift") in my Protege... come into a corner hot and let off the gas, 3 words... "throttle-lift oversteer"

Using the e-brake for anything but parking is ghey... unless it's a snow-covered parking lot, that's fun as hell

[SmackDaddy]

Alright, thats it, I've had enough of your bad mouthing the e-brake.
You and me LS, gum-tape death match RIGHT NOW!

the escort GT and protege lx are both designed to oversteer"

uh, "its like not knowing the difference between under- and over-steer."

No, they're not. They, like every other FWD economy car, are designed to understeer, which is considered safer at the 'limits'.

On a sadder note, that throttle-lift oversteer pretty much disappeared when I swapped in the mx-3 rear assembly, I miss it.

Everyone clear? Ok, now to the original point ...

There is no magic setup, ideally you want a neutral car (in any conditions).

The main problem I can see right away is you describe several different conditions, snow/gravel/ice, and I assume pavement.

What I would consider a 'fun' setup off pavement, would not be as effective on, infact, it would probably be more than a little scary ...

Done anything yet? No?

Do the basics before you get too specialized.

Seems like you have a 90 prot, if they haven't been replaced, your sway bar bushings (front and rear) are shot. Changing them will have a drastic impact on your cars handling, they're fairly cheap, and not that hard to replace.

Then I'd replace the lower control arm bushings (find a competent shop), the rear trailing arm bushings, and I'd check the strut mounts to see what kind of shape they're in.

As discussed in another thread, there doesn't seem to be anything available for the rear lateral links.

Remember, this is a 14 year old car, changing all those nasty, crusty, worn-out rubber pieces will have your ride feeling pretty tight, after you do that, then I'd start looking at shocks/springs, not before.

Duhoh, just caught that broken spring bit, if it cant wait, Id just grab a couple of stock springs from the j/y for the time being.

And replace BOTH springs.

There, now my post makes sense.

[ChrisKory]

so the escort gt's large rear sway bar and the reviews of it when it was introduced
specifically road and track are inacurate in claiming it easily oversteers?
whip oversteers, slightly unsetting, and can be controlled with the throttle?

what do they know anyways...

[mike_moss]

Go drive the car yourself before you comment.

[JesseSays]

The protege and escort GT were more neutral than the other cars of the time period, but by no means did they oversteer in stock form steady state.

[SmackDaddy]

Poking an angry bear with a stick.

I did issue a 'spouting-off' warning didn't? Didn't I?

First, fwd cars, the 323/prot/escort included, are designed to under-steer at
their cornering limits. This is mostly a safety issue, but is also a byproduct of
FF arrangemets. This fact is not debatable, you seem to be the only one who
doesn't know this.

Can they made to oversteer? Absolutely, just about anything can be made to
oversteer, was it designed that way? Was the first generation 911 turbo
designed to do a 180 if you lifted off the gas?

so the escort gt's large rear sway bar and the reviews of
it when it was introduced specifically road and track are inacurate in claiming
it easily oversteers?

So that large rear bar makes it oversteer huh?

You want to get smart with me? How about learning how to recognize the
context of a piece of information, before introducing it into an debate as your
rebuttal. Was that too complicated a sentence? Try reading something
without pictures.

Then, maybe you'll realize how ignorant that statement is, I dont want to
have to teach you to show you you're wrong.

what do they know anyways...

Hmmm, well here's what I know.

That picture, you ignorant sarcastic little pissant, is what's left when you
replace EVERY piece of a 323's suspension (if its not in there I had already
chucked it, wasnt storing all the **** for a group pic).

Thats about the tenth different pile I've made like that in the last 15 years.

What the hell do you know? Jack ****, thats been established.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, you sir, are an assasin.

[lscrx]

A large rear-bar will make a car more susceptable to over-steer in my experience. My 22mm rear-bar in the CRX made it much more over-steer than neutral.

[SmackDaddy]

Sigh, ls I respectfullly disagree. This is hugely oversimplified, but...

Less rear bar = more oversteer, more front bar = more oversteer.

More rear = more understeer, Less Front = more understeer.

This is pretty much suspension 101.

But hey, no need to take my word for it, want actual proof?

Go outside, undo your rear bars endlinks, should take 5 minutes.
Go around a couple of corners.

Come back and post that same statement, I dare you.

Oh, and reattach your endlinks, my point has been made.

[Kelly]

*taking notes*

That information will really help my rsx in NFSU2, lol

[SmackDaddy]

It does in gt3, the other source of most internet car info. Lmfao

[mike_moss]

This is hugely oversimplified, but...

Less rear bar = more oversteer, more front bar = more oversteer.

More rear = more understeer, Less Front = more understeer.

This is pretty much suspension 101.

Please tell me you just got KO-ed on an ice patch or something and you're all mixed up.

Maybe you should take a minute to read your post again and correct it.