Drift suspension

[JesseSays]

If everything is IDEAL, and bar is the ONLY thing you can change, LESSENING the amount of bar from it's 'ideal', will LOWER that ends grip. Yes, this is purely hypothetical, and "HUGELY" oversimplified, but it was never my desire to go down this road.

What's "ideal"?

and still...NO. whenever you lessen the amount of swaybar on that side, you give it "more grip"...not less.

[SmackDaddy]

So you must have taken yours off. That must give you the most grip.

Look it was purely a hypothetical point, a silly one, but it made sense.

Lowering a property from its 'ideal', there's the magic word, bar, spring, camber, will lower that ends grip. Does that clear it up?

You're just bent because of that honda thing.

Drifting is a controlled skid/slide.

If it is induced through the drive wheels, rear or 4/all, with the throttle it is a powerslide.

You know, thats all I really had to say in the first place, and then I got caught up in all the poo flinging.

[mike_moss]

Dammit,

You articulated a point and provided supporting evidence.

Kreator I am a crackhead, I apologize for my hasty reply, I should have double checked. On that, I have been owned... sigh.

"Why discuss something that's "hugely simplified" about something that is by no means simple."

Exactly, this is pointless, and mostly my 'fault'.

I think the issue is context.

If everything is IDEAL, and bar is the ONLY thing you can change, LESSENING the amount of bar from it's 'ideal', will LOWER that ends grip. Yes, this is purely hypothetical, and "HUGELY" oversimplified, but it was never my desire to go down this road.

ChrisKory's assertion that the escort was 'designed' to oversteer was wrong, we all agree on that

I over reacted to his associating rear bar with this 'oversteering design' thing. After all that e-brake/powersliding nonsense, I think I felt a little like Charelton Heston on trial in Ape city, and all I could do was scream 'You damn dirty apes!'. I've been talking about a car's behaviour at the limits of a turn, not it's transitional response, which is something else. More of a case of bad choice of quotations than dumbness.

"The stiffer the bars the better the transitional response can be (slaloms, garages, etc), however, they will prove to be less forgiving to harsh steering inputs."

So the problem is we're arguing two different points.

So it's like we're all right about something .

Except Dave, Dave you're a sheep, baaaaah.

Lets recap,

Drifting is a controlled skid/slide.

If it is induced through the drive wheels, rear or 4/all, with the throttle it is a powerslide.

You know, thats all I really had to say in the first place, and then I got caught up in all the poo flinging.

...blah blah blah...again...

Can't talk your way out of this one...best to just drop it.

[Kelly]

I think the best have spoken...I still have no idea what is right...Guess IMa have to read one of the 40 links in this thread.

[SmackDaddy]

This board should do a group buy for some JDM panty de-buncher.

If nothing else remember this, the only way to powerslide a fwd is in reverse.

Damn dirty apes.

[mike_moss]

No need for TheMAN or anyone...just need for a moderator to delete all the stupid posts in this thread. Maybe Protoss will volunteer?

[JesseSays]

it's done....closed