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Originally posted by crazycanadian View PostI am curious to see where you guys get... It would really be curious to see what alignment specs you guys run.. So far I am one of the most wild out there set ups.. since running Rx7 front ball joints, mx3 control arms its really changed my SAI... I am at 17 deg, where as factory is 14 deg.. Also I run a really high amount of caster at 5.25... So far this is the most I have seen used on this chassis.. With my front springs around 550 - 600ish, rears at 400.. Mx3 GS front sway bar and 19mm rear bar I get a lot of compliments about how easy/nice my car is to drive.. I reacts really well to throttle inputs.. come off the throttle mid corner is starts to turn in, over steer is easy to control ect... I think the biggest difference between the 2 set ups is tire size and engine power.. I am kind of at the peek, I am not to sure where else to go with my car at this point.. other then the obvious bigger tires, more power..
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Alrighty guys and girls, the car has been put away for the winter and I'm currently sorting out all the upgrades I'm going to try and do before next season.
#1New Struts
I've got some GC double adjustables coming in and the AWR singles on the car now will be moved to the ITA car. That is a super easy install and I'll have some help next season getting the adjustments dialed in.
#2 New Header and Intake Manifold
I can't find a reasonable 4-2-1 for sale anywhere so I'm biting the bullet and having one made. I'm hoping to get started on it some time after Christmas, which basically means I need to call Burns and spec out the pipe sizes. Does anyone know the lift/duration or any specs of the Protege intake cam? I know it's different than the Miata. I'm pretty sure Burns has all the other specs for a "Miata" motor and should be able to adjust for the different cam. I have several options with the intake manifold and will probably try a cut 2nd Gen manifold first. I don't want to eliminate VICS. I'm also considering modifying one of the aftermarket B18 manifolds to fit like the Miata guys do, but I'm really nervous about loosing some low end torque. ITBs are just too pricey/difficult to conjure up at the moment when I need to worl on a few other bigger things.
#3 Twin Plate Clutch
This probably won't happen until mid spring. We need more corner exit acceleration and the easiest way to get it will be to lighten the rotating assembly. This is the modification I'm looking forward to the most because it's easy and it could yield the biggest improvement.
#4 Brakes
Specifically lighter/better brakes. If you've looked through the thread you know my rotors are drilled out to save weight (about a pound per rotor) and we use stock calipers. My plan is to switch to a 2-piece rotor and Willwood lightweight calipers. I don't want the rotors to be any bigger than the smallest rotors that came stock on the 323 which is 9.25" for the front. All the aftermarket rotors are larger than that so I would need to turn them down on a lathe. That's not too big of a deal. I'm pretty sure the offset on the rotors is identical between the Miata and 323. I'm mostly concerned about mounting the calipers since I can't modify the spindles. I may have to get clever with the mounting depending on the difference in offset between the Miata rotors and 323 rotors.
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tuned in to see what you work out for the braking system- these are always intriguing adventures to watch.
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I pet my dash when I get into the car..."good car"he actually has a mazda tree, parts grow on it
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Originally posted by FE3-323 View Posttuned in to see what you work out for the braking system- these are always intriguing adventures to watch.
what twin plate will you wind up going with?
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Originally posted by crazycanadian View PostI am really curious about the header design you come up with.... I am curious why the cam specs come into play... I did a fair bit of research a number of years ago when I was looking at building headers for an old car of mine... I didn't see much talk about cam specs..
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Some of that makes more sense... A big part of my research showed you need to under stand what kind of volume of exhaust gas is flowing out the exhaust port.. That affects primary tube diameter, but more specifically length... I only looked at it quickly, but I didn't see cylinder firing order on the sheet... I would think that would be incorporated into a 4-2-1 design as well..
Being an engineer student, I am sure you would enjoy looking up how headers are designed..
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You could also contact the guy at SMSP. He makes well known headers for Honda's and is the one that made the one-off header that I have for my BP so he already has some BP experience.
Also if your interested in building it yourself check here: good stuff and cheaper then Burn's:
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Xelderx... Saw your post up on Facebook .. Congrates on the FSP title .
Love the new splitter upfront , care to share a few deatiled pics of it ?
We ( CrazyCanadain and myself ) have been campaigning his 323 in SMF this year with great susccess and have plans this winter to develop it even more.
Building up a front splitter and rear wing for it are on the books through the winter and would love to see what you designed for the front...
I am looking at doing something like this for the rear ( see pic below ) , but alittle more aggressive and adjustable depending on the cars set up and hence behavior... etc
Originally posted by XelderX View Post
Here is a photo from Nationals this year....
There isn't really anything different about the 323 from the Protege. All the parts just swapped over. The rear spoiler is different, but we don't use it all the time depending on the balance of the car. I'm going to be redesigning the front splitter this winter and hopefully getting a custom header made. I've got some things to try with the intake manifold also. New double adjustable Konis should be here in a month or so. I have some plans to lighten the brakes further and possibly install a 5.5" clutch/flywheel if I can afford it. I've been messing round with the fuel pump setup to run less fuel, but not really making much progress there.
Let me know if you want any specific #s/specs. I haven't weighed the 323 yet. I'm very curious to see how much less it is than the Protege and where the bias is front to rear.
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Sorry I haven't updated in a while. I've got some pictures of the new splitter somewhere. Unfortunately it got destroyed at Nationals this year during the Ladies run group on Day 2 after my girlfriend center punched a group of three cones. That broke the mounts and she ran over the splitter. The air dam survived and I'm getting ready to make a new splitter.
We are super excited about winning the Championship, but I'm a little bummed it was my co-driver and not me. He definitely deserved it though. I didn't drive well. The transmission is out of the 323 at the moment getting some things checked out, but once it's back together I plan on doing another splitter.
An SMF splitter will be a little more effective than what we can design for FSP. The championship SMF cars are running pretty aggressive rear wings.
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1992- project FE3..... 313 WHP @ 9.3psi
I pet my dash when I get into the car..."good car"he actually has a mazda tree, parts grow on it
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