Integra GSR vs. 323 bp

[1ofdfew323]

What? The tranny that's in 1ofdfew323's 323 was off the 1.6L, which had a final drive of 4.11. The 1.8L SOHC has a final drive of 3.62. The 1.8L DOHC (G-series) has a final drive of 4.11.

P.S., you can get a 4.833 final drive from Mazda Motorsports, it's only like $2800 or something. Haha

so the sohc tranny and the dohc tranny have the same finale drive? which is 4.11.?

[D323]

G5M-R 1990-1991 1st generation 1.8 liter DOHC 2WD Protegé
G25M-R 1992-1994 1st generation and 1995 2nd generation 1.8 liter
DOHC 2WD Protegé
G5MX-R 1990-1991 1st generation 4WD Protegé and 323/Familia GT-X
G25MX-R 1992-1993 323/Familia GT-R/GT-Ae
F5M-R 1990-1991 1st generation 1.6 liter DOHC and 1.8 liter SOHC
2WD Protegé
F25M-R 1992-1994 1st generation 1.6 liter DOHC and 1.8 liter SOHC,
2nd generation 1.5 liter, 1996-1998 2nd generation 1.8 liter, and 3rd
generation Protegé

Depending on what you have above:

F5M-R:
Used with B6-E (MY90-91) B8-ME (MY90-91)
Type 5MT, FWD 5MT, FWD
1st gear 3.416:1 3.416:1
2nd gear 1.842:1 1.842:1
3rd gear 1.290:1 1.290:1
4th gear 0.918:1 0.918:1
5th gear 0.731:1 0.731:1
Final drive 4.105:1 3.619:1
Reverse 3.214:1 3.214:1
Differential open open

Shift mechanism remote, rod actuation

all off of theMan's Protege FAQ. heres the link.

http://web2.airmail.net/theman/protegefaq/

(click on transmission info)

the rest are on there. just go look, I am too lazy to paste the rest in

[charles]

so the sohc tranny and the dohc tranny have the same finale drive? which is 4.11.?

Yes, although the gearing is still a little different.

http://web2.airmail.net/theman/protegefaq/transmission.html

You'd have the B6-E transmission, right? (The 1.6L SOHC) .

[FE3-323]

the way it goes....

final drives via mazda repair manual....
LX G5M-R or G25M-R same final drive-4.105
DX/ f series(both f2m-5 and f25m-r) final drive-3.619
B6(323) f series(both f2m-5 and f25m-r) final drive-3.850

[1ofdfew323]

so how do u remove one gear out of one tranny and put it on the next one? isn't one of the gear has one whole shaft?

[FE3-323]

im not exactly sure on that... i got a book showing how to do it (factory repair manual) but i think i'll take it to a tranny shop and ask them about it

[bruce95fmla]

look at my post can't wait in the test forum.
There is a link in there that tells you how to do the 5th gear swap ......


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I knew there was a difference in the 323 5th gear and the protege 5th gear.
Bruce

[1ofdfew323]

OK... finally we were able to race today...
well u guys r rite he did beat me a car length ahead on my 4th gear. 1/4 mile...

I had full interior 9 degree timing ( not advance ) , Im using my 323 stock vaf, piping with the stock intake box and filter. ( the reason being is bcuz i needed to get my car to pass the somg so im trying to put everything to stock ) All i had was the headers, magnecore wires, no spare tires and jack. and my friends car got the intake headers, no spare tires n jack.

We raced at a light i got him on my first but by the time i hit my 2nd gear he was already next to me . then i shifted to 2nd we were neck-to-neck till i shifted 3rd gear hewas passing me. ( creeping on my side ) and on my 4th gear i was 1 foot away from his rear bumper. I did everything i could to get him on my first but i couldn't his car is pretty quick but i ask him if he raced 99 civic si on the road he said yes witht the same mod. as his but he smoked him like 2 cars away so i guess with taht i can beat an si too...
good thing about the race was to let u'all know if w/ this set up we can keep up with the b18's...peace!

[1ofdfew323]

o yeah i will be racing him again in a month or 2 right when i get it to pass the smog i will install the rx-7 vaf and filter, lx piping...O i just got my mx-3 stock muffler installed w/ my catco high flow cat. the car is not that quitE theres still deep tone sound on low rpm and high throaty tone on high rpm but i love it!

[bruce95fmla]

I say it's still a good race. This also means that the car should be able to easily run with any civic with a B16. I think you could also benefit from better gearing to bro... The tranny in my 95 protege has really tall gears, that the BP that I installed really likes.
I have been considering to put the G tranny in my Protege and the putting the F tranny in my 323 with the clutch and flywheel that's in my protege currently.

This gives me a good measure on the speed of your 323.
I figure with the intake / rx7 vaf (tuned).
and good exhaust tuning. You should easily be able to keep up...

Ofcourse once we get cams, that's it .. it's over...
I really don't like the 323 4th and 5th gears....

You know this means that your car is proabably running, mid 15's....


Bruce

[1ofdfew323]

I say it's still a good race. This also means that the car should be able to easily run with any civic with a B16. I think you could also benefit from better gearing to bro... The tranny in my 95 protege has really tall gears, that the BP that I installed really likes.
I have been considering to put the G tranny in my Protege and the putting the F tranny in my 323 with the clutch and flywheel that's in my protege currently.

This gives me a good measure on the speed of your 323.
I figure with the intake / rx7 vaf (tuned).
and good exhaust tuning. You should easily be able to keep up...

Ofcourse once we get cams, that's it .. it's over...
I really don't like the 323 4th and 5th gears....

You know this means that your car is proabably running, mid 15's....


Bruce

my friends gsr w/ h/i/e. full interior, except for the jack n spare tire is running 15.00 at sacramento raceway. so im pretty sure my 323 is running 15's .HELL YEAH! 15's for a $800 car w/ $350 engine. that aint bad.
btw about the tranny...so u want me to get the 2nd gen pro tranny? or just the 4th and 5th gear? or is there any other option for a better ratio tranny meaning i need more top end...

[bruce95fmla]

well no I was saying that, I will more than likely put the tranny in my 2nd gen (F) into the 323 with the BP and then use the G tranny with a stronger clutch in the protege.

hmm thing is. If you pull your tranny, then you might as well drop the G tranny in there. But you will need the G flywheel and also another clutch.

The 5th gear on the dx 1st gen protege is better than the 323 gear.. It will drop your rpm's in 5th gear by a good amount over the 323 5th gear. (will help you save gas).

[D323]

hmm thing is. If you pull your tranny, then you might as well drop the G tranny in there. But you will need the G flywheel and also another clutch.

I thought that the G and F series used the same flywheel?

[bruce95fmla]

I thought that the G and F series used the same flywheel?

nope two different flywheels.
The G flywheel has these raised notches on it.
the F flywheel is flat all around.


They use different pressure plates also, and clutch pad.
Bruce

[D323]

would an aftermarket flywheel fit both????