Probe GT engine?

[UrBaNsTyLe55]

well i dunno how much the kf-ze weighs, as for which to swap it it all depends on what your looking to do turbo or n/a if you want n/a then the kl-ze is the best one,

[UrBaNsTyLe55]

also the kf-ze came out of a eunos in japan

[JesseSays]

meh i posted that back in october.

it the difference between the KLZE and DE found in the cams or is it also a higher compression engine, different intake??

intake manifold, exhaust manifold, 1mm larger intake valves, more static compression, hotter cams, different ECU, different VAF, etc etc etc.

[JesseSays]

So how much horsepower does the KF-ZE weigh??? What did it come out of??
Which would be a better swap the KF-ZE or the KL-DE? The KL-DE is just as easy to swap isn't it?

all the K series engines weigh about the same, and they all use the same block, so ease of swap is independent of which engine you choose.

[Gro Harlem]

UGH!! Let me try to answer some of these questions factually without "assuming" or posting pure speculation.

1: No one has yet to confirm the K-series weighs less than a BP. IMVHO there is no ****ING WAY that a K-series weighs less. First of all, the MX3's have way stiffer springs in the front than the proteges. And when installed on the car, the car sits about as high as a protege (same wheelgap). When I bought my suspension, I bought it off my friend who has an Escort GT. We basically swapped his GC / Tokico strut setup for my stock MX3 setup, his car now sits about 1" higher in the front.....explain why this is? maybe b/c the motor weighs about 100-150 lbs MORE than a BP. Also explain the differences in weight between a 174" long sedan wth the SAME unibody/wheelbase and power amenities (2480lbs) compared to a 168" long hatchback with a V6 weighing in at 2570 from the factory?


2: the MX3, Escort, Protege, 323 all use the SAME EXACT unibody. this means you could fit up the same bumpers, grilles, headlights, seats, carpet, dash, shifters, all that **** interchanges if you use the right amound of parts. So if you wanted to do a K swap you'd need MX3 control arms, swaybar's, endlinks, AND springs to get the proper suspension geometry. The hubs seem to be the same. You will need the crossmember as well as they are different, nad there is a cross brace that goes across on the MX3 which is up to you if you want to instal it or not.

3: There was NO car in the US that came with the 2.0 KFZE engine. it is a JDM engine that came in overseas MX6-equivalent models, lantis's and a few other cars. The KLZE came in Eunos 800's, MS8's (jdm mx6's), MS9's (upscale millenias) and numerous other cars including some eunos models. THe KL-DE (incorrectly referred to as "KL-03" by many people) came in 93-97 Mazda 626 ES, MX-6 LS and Ford Probe GT. Also came in the newer 626's and the 95-00 Millenias (base models) but with curved neck intake manifold design, and KL-ZE heads and intake ports.

4: To swap a K-series into a protege/escort, the easiest solution would be to get a MX3 GS wiring harness...since the car shares the same unibody and options it will be WAY easier to wire it up properly, possibly plug and play. The ECu's on the K-series are 3-plug even on 5-speed models. BP powered cars use 2-plug ecu's (both automatic and manual transmissions) whlie the other B series powered cars use 2-plug (5-speed) and 3 plug (automatic) ecu's.

5: Other stuff you should know about the differences. The transmission is a G-series but the bellhousing is made to fit the V6's. You'll need a MX3, 626, MX6 or probe transmission. 626 has the taller gear ratios. The A/C compressor has lines routed in different locations. Instead of over top of the water pump pulley, it is routed out of the way along the radiator support. Anotehr note, the radiator is larger for teh K-series, the Power steering pump is completely different, You would likely need to pull a MX3 GS PS line and pump to fit power steering up properly.

If you wanted to do this swap, it would be adivisable to get a MX3 GS parts car and get the motor elsewhere (unless you want the ****ty 1.8 engine). It WILL be a pain in the ass to fit it all up, but will fit and basically all of the parts should interchange with your cars engine bay.

[redfox]

why not jsut tow a probe gt home use its motor, tranny, wiring harnes, ecu, axles, ect ect ect.....????????

[charles]

why not jsut tow a probe gt home use its motor, tranny, wiring harnes, ecu, axles, ect ect ect.....????????

YOU NEED A LOT OF MX-3 PARTS

[Gro Harlem]

why not jsut tow a probe gt home use its motor, tranny, wiring harnes, ecu, axles, ect ect ect.....????????

Read my post again......probe = completley different chassis than an MX3. If you want a LOT MORE WORK then i don't care, go for it.

[redfox]

sry i was a bit confused when i read the last post at about 1 in the mourning....let me try to understand this again......motor and tranny from probe gt and the rest from mx3?

sry for the ignorant questions but i have had a stressfull week.......

[UrBaNsTyLe55]

ok as for the engine weighs, your wrong groharlem the bp does weight more then the k-series engine and i would bring the link thats shows it( on a different computer) now as for the parts needed, you do not need the whole damn suspension, and suspensions pieces off an mx3 to do the swap to a protege, if you want go ahead but its stupid because the protege suspension is way capable of taking the "lighter" weight of the v6 motor, as for car yes your right the protege does weigh alot less then an mx3 and all parts are interchangable, to do the swap you need the driveshafts and wiring harness of the mx3 because for one, the probe/mx6 uses a totalaying different harness and routing, it other words the engine harness is split in half and uses 2 different fuse boxes, as for the mx3 which uses the same harness routing and one fuse box as the protege, the driveshafts off a probe/mx6 can not be uses because the spindel part where it bolts to your rotor is alot larger then the protege, to use those drive shafts you would have to swap over the whole front brake housing off the probe/mx6 and that extra work not needed, with the mx3 driveshafts there the same size and can easly be uses with the protege rotors, so honestly off the mx3 you need crossmember mounts and wiring harness so technically you don't need the whole car, because you for one wouldn't want to use used up engine mounts and driveshafts unless in good condition, and second its not like you need the whole front clip to make it work on the protege, as for swapping it in its a damn breeze, nothing hard about it!

[redfox]

UrBaNsTyLe55, do you have the 2L or the 2.5L?.......is there any difference in the .5L's? like power torque and is it just as easy to swap in?....and when you say "under carrage" do u mean the piece in the attached pic?

[Tweeaks]

So suppose I had the front clip off of a probe GT (I might can get one for approx. $500)......all I would need from the mx-3 is the wiring harness and crossmember correct? I know If i use the axles from the probe i would need to swap the brakes and ****, but bigger rotors better brakes it wouldn't be that much more work.

[redfox]

"front clip"???

[Gro Harlem]

I talked to the guy who runs a-spec and he said you need MX3 control arms and the swaybar (since it uses a droplink setup). I guess using the stock protege control arms is possible, but IMO it would be better to use the MX3's as i've heard the track is slightly wider.

And I never said FOR SURE that the engines weighed less, I stated my opinion. Until I see someone taking pictures of each engine on a scale, I won't believe jack **** you post. I have lifted a K8 block and a BP block, and the BP was way lighter even with the cast iron block. the intake manifolds weigh about the same, exhaust manifolds are slightly heavier on the K8.

Anywyas, that pic that one dood posted is the "crossmember" and the transmission mounts bolt through those 4 holes on the bottom.

you wil definitely need that.


And if you want a 1.8, get the mx3 motork, otherwise get the 2.5 from a probe for more power. Use the KL ecu, but use teh MX3 harness since it fits your car like a glove.

[redfox]

Thanx for the info Gro Harlem, one more question tho, How could you use a ecu(KL) that takes 3 plugs, with a wiring harnes(mx3) that has 2 plugs?